Always baffles me why some people think and act like being proud of their state/country/race and criticizing its actions are mutually exclusive.

> Doesn't matter, half of HN will still defend them.

And I would say half can't/won't speak about this. I try to stray away from these discussions sometimes because I feel worried that someone is going to take any comment out of context within these messages which is a bit of a strange way of self censorship actually and I feel like I might not be the only one. It's also worth mentioning that I have found this to be the case especially for Israel.

For example, I feel valid criticizing the current American Regime and Americans themselves would agree with me at a a much higher proportion/magnitude compared to Israel in which from my small sample bias of online acquaintances, I only had one Jewish (Living in America, not Israeli) person agree that Israel is doing some pretty horrendous things and although do take this with a grain of salt as something they told me but they said that Zionism and Antisemitism are effectively something comparable as within the Jewish religion, There is an idea of the world hating the Jews as being a pre-condition within Jewish religion for them to win within the end-times theology of the jewish faith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog I think they were referencing this: Zechariah 14:2 states, "I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it." The idea is that the Jewish people will have no earthly allies left.

I'm quite convinced that Israelis have an edge in communication and socials.

And god forbid how easily you're labeled as anti semitic for bringing up facts about Israeli spying and lobbying in the west.

Hell, in Italy, neo nazi hooligans go protest for Israel with hundreds of police defending them.

Whereas genuine pro Palestinian protests (99 times out of 100 peaceful) met nothing but batons and condemnation.

Even the tv narratives about these events is disgusting.

It's clear the Israelis know how to do their job.

This site definitely has a cohort of completely unhinged war mongers. The same names (and a bunch of random new accounts) never fail to show up to defend genocide or any other atrocities being committed.

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