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vrganjyesterday at 8:30 PM11 repliesview on HN

Framing this as the EU's attempt is antieuropean propaganda.

It is the Conservatives attempt. The EU parliament is the entity that shot it down last time.


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elzbardicoyesterday at 8:38 PM

EU is not a synonym of Europe. EU propagandists don't get to define what Europe means.

Second. Who gave you the right to define antieuropean union propaganda as a sin.

Some people may hate it, some people may love it, other want to change it.

It was created by vote, surely it can be whatever the fuck the way the people want by vote.

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Findecanoryesterday at 8:48 PM

I don't follow EU politics that much, but I know that one of the strongest proponents for it has been from the Swedish Social Democratic party, which has dominated Swedish politics.

So, in my view this is not really a "left" or "right" thing, but something that is pushed by people you could call "the establishment".

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oytisyesterday at 9:12 PM

European Commission is basically as close to being EU's government as it can be, it is fair to say these are the people that represent EU now. Much like it's fair to say that US is bombing Iran even if not all of the US is doing that.

pcrhyesterday at 8:51 PM

Exactly. EU legislation is currently far more respecting of privacy than is legislation in the UK or the US.

For various, and unclear, reasons, there is substantial backing to change this.

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Pay08yesterday at 8:56 PM

This is how political messaging has worked since I was born.

ab5tractyesterday at 8:34 PM

Can you clarify what you mean? The linked website makes it seem that the majority MEPs of the supporting countries are on board. Are all of the (listed as) supporting countries currently under conservative governments?

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soulofmischiefyesterday at 8:36 PM

Fight Chat Control is a website maintained by a European. It is no more anti-European than I, an American, speaking about the latest antics of our conservative-led government and saying, "The US government is attempting to ____".

freehorseyesterday at 8:55 PM

The last version of chat control was pushed by Denmark, which presided the european council until december, and with a social democratic prime minister (coalition government with social democrats the majority). The "conservatives push for chat control" is not really accurate, a bit part of social democrats are also supporting it.

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ImJamalyesterday at 8:38 PM

It seems like it is bipartisan to me. Do you have the statistics to back up your claim?

izacusyesterday at 8:53 PM

Yeah, it's like saying "USA wants to poison children still!" when a Republican files another deranged bill in their state.

9devyesterday at 8:34 PM

This. There's a very specific group of twisted people that drive this, but equating that with the entire EU is flat out wrong.

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