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dragonwriteryesterday at 5:48 PM3 repliesview on HN

> The problem for this argument is that there is no actual data that trans kids and specifically trans girls are any better at sport than other girls.

There is considerable evidence that they aren't. But that's not really relevant, because you have to remember segregation in sport has never been about competitive fairness, it has always been about allowing those who are socially superior to avoid the embarrassment of having to compete in an environment where they might be defeated by their social inferiors.

It is why women were long banned from competitions, and then shortly after exclusion seemed to harsh for evolving attitudes, they were segregated from men. And it is why trans people are being excluded from competition now. It's why racial segregation in sport was a thing. When competitive fairness is raised as an argument for segregation, it is pretextual, not the real reason, so counterevidence is irrelevant.


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opoyesterday at 7:18 PM

>...it has always been about allowing those who are socially superior to avoid the embarrassment of having to compete in an environment where they might be defeated by their social inferiors.

Is your argument actually that women don't generally compete with men in sports because the sports don't want to embarrass the male athletes if they lose? If so, I suspect this is a bad faith argument, but if not, you can simply do a little searching to find that there is often quite a bit of difference between the performance of top tier male athletes and top tier female athletes. For example, no woman has ever run a 4 minute mile in competition and more than 2,000 men have and even about 30 high school boys have. I am sure you can find other examples.

orangecatyesterday at 7:23 PM

There is considerable evidence that they aren't.

Why did Lia Thomas go from being nowhere near winning in the male division to getting fifth in the women's?

When competitive fairness is raised as an argument for segregation, it is pretextual

If sports were not sex-segregated, most events would never be won by a woman. How is that a pretext?

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mech998877yesterday at 7:08 PM

There is considerable evidence that trans girls and women have a competitive advantage over women in many sports.

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