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yieldcrvyesterday at 8:10 PM5 repliesview on HN

> I don’t think people have thought hard enough about how bad this could get.

given that the crypto anarchist papers from the 90s that these markets are built on are very well thought out instruction manuals about how bad it could get, this title implies users are gullible idiots as opposed to the creators and power users

An individual's susceptibility to a vice is an individual problem. So I take issue with all the flippant comments about this being a "gambling loophole", like, who cares? I don't think any financial game should be seen as a different category than the other.

Even the "positive expected value" framework masquaraded as a distinction between trading and a casino game is completely false and entirely a cultural distinction. There are many equities and bond trades that have lower expected value than a casino game, even this forum is populated by people that receive shares and derivatives as compensation, who will earn nothing - even lose money - under positive outcomes. Exhibit A. Not everyone needs to care how a particular financial game is perceived. Not all cultures need any social segregation of gambling versus another way of making money from money. I'd rather be part of those cultures. And in the US/Western gambling regulatory frameworks and prohibitions, prediction markets don't fit, that isn't a loophole to me. They are structurally different and I'm not entirely sure what people want to happen and how it is supposed to be enforced. I don't get the impression they've looked at all, and are just operating on a feeling that I find irrelevant.

And on the insiders, yes, that's the point of prediction markets. They are intended to be distributed bounties with plausible deniability. That's literally what Jim Bell's 1995 crypto-anarchist paper was about.

In the natural course of finance, every asset, including information, should be tradable, as long as improvements in liquidity continue to come.


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jakelazaroffyesterday at 8:31 PM

> An individual's susceptibility to a vice is an individual problem.

Maybe if you're Tom Hanks in Castaway. In real life, people contract lung damage from secondhand smoke; homes are mortgaged to fund gambling habits; families are destroyed by drunk drivers.

That's not to say that people can't partake in their vices responsibly. But the idea that any harms are limited to the person with the problem is just not true.

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throwaway132448yesterday at 8:24 PM

That’s a lot of words to tell everyone you don’t know what an “externality” is.

dash2yesterday at 8:20 PM

You put your own case powerfully, but you don’t seem to have reacted to Derek Thompson‘s case, except to say that you’re not bothered about gambling addiction. (And why not? If people predictably do things that are bad for themselves, that damages the efficiency case for free markets and everything.)

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warkdarrioryesterday at 8:12 PM

> An individual's susceptibility to a vice is an individual problem.

That ignore the societal influence on an individual. If everyone around you gambles, you are more inclined to take up gambling.

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jbxntuehineohyesterday at 8:54 PM

> An individual's susceptibility to a vice is an individual problem.

libertarianism is a cancer

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