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te_chrisyesterday at 10:29 AM4 repliesview on HN

Wild that you're getting downvoted for saying something so obvious. Weird.


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mbgerringyesterday at 8:33 PM

Not weird if you’ve been participating in discussions on clean energy since the beginning of this century.

The inevitability of the energy transition has been obvious for so long, and even when it’s done there will be cranks insisting that it’ll never work.

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izacusyesterday at 7:55 PM

That's the same kind of problem solving that thought making self driving Teslas is the solution for infrastructure problems.

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9wzYQbTYsAIcyesterday at 10:43 AM

Politics of solar, at work

hn_throwaway_99yesterday at 11:14 PM

I didn't downvote them, and I don't really disagree with them (that much). But I do disagree with the idea that what they're saying is "something so obvious".

I think the evidence is overwhelming that renewables plus storage will provide the bulk of our energy needs, or at least electricity needs, in the very near future. But I think the idea that it will be some sort of libertarian/individualistic utopia if we're all generating our own power and living off grid is a fallacy. This sort of widespread "off grid" living (beyond a small number of ideologues/enthusiasts) is what you only see essentially in failed states, where communal services are unreliable and the social contract is so frayed that people need to inefficiently generate their own power. One can argue the US and other Western countries are headed that way, but I don't think that's "obvious" or necessarily a good thing.

A much more "obvious" solution IMO is to invest in efficient, grid-scale renewable generation combined with robust storage tiers, as well us long overdue updates to the grid.

And to emphasize, because I'm sure it will get lost in translation, I'm in no way saying people shouldn't be self-sufficient or install rooftop solar if they want to. What I am saying is that widespread rooftop solar as the "of course that's the right answer" endgame of renewables deployment is in no way obvious, inevitable or even desirable.