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fainpultoday at 1:56 PM4 repliesview on HN

Everybody is formed by their experiences and genes and they act accordingly. There is no free will. If you realize that, you realize that you can never blame anyone for anything, because they had no choice to act differently. As a customer it's still hard to take, when someone who is clearly formed by years of professional deformation, treats you like shit.


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spicyusernametoday at 2:08 PM

    never blame anyone for anything
That's actually not quite true.

Assigning blame, via agency or otherwise, and the associated social or legal consequences are additional signals in the environment that influence and change behavior.

If the actions of an individual were involved in propagating some chain of events, then it's perfectly valid to respond to their involvement, via social stigma, punishment, etc, regardless of whether or not there is "agency". The knowledge and anticipation of a similar response changes future actor's behavior, with or without free will.

This discussion itself is exactly an example of this in practice. If there's no such thing as agency, then us talking about what someone should or shouldn't do, given whether there is free will, have any influence on anything, except that it does because interacting with these ideas themselves change behavior, with or without free will.

This is what people mean when they say we should just ignore the question of free will entirely, because it doesn't really factor into how we should design the social contract.

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ramon156today at 2:03 PM

This. There's something about most cultures that I am slowly am realizing; we always know how to complain and shift the responsibility. And no, you're not immune to this. You're not immune to anything, really.

Medical departments aren't about helping you out anymore. When you work in a hospital, you do what your rule book says. If someone doesn't have their paperwork available, you cannot help them. That's your boss's fault, not yours. This makes it easy for you to not feel guilty, since your job is to follow da rulez.

How did we get here? Why can you not just give them their pills and charge them the real amount. Why do we need this bureaucratic hell and pretend we're here to help people. We're not. We're here to squeeze you until we cannot legally ask for more.

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justonceokaytoday at 2:08 PM

If you think there’s no free will then you won’t argue with me when I say I think there is.

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recursivedoubtstoday at 1:59 PM

i don't believe that to be the case at all

but, of course, i don't have any choice in the matter, so what's the point of talking about it?

but, of course, we don't have any choice in that matter either, do we?

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