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cowlbytoday at 5:08 PM3 repliesview on HN

Who else struggles with both sides of this? My engineer side values curiosity, brain power, and artistanship. My capitalist side says it's always the product not the process. My formula is something like this: product = money, process = happiness, money != happiness, no money = unhappiness.

I think the optimal solution is min/maxing this thing. Find the AI process that minimizes unhappiness, and maximizes money.


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prewetttoday at 5:55 PM

> My capitalist side says it's always the product not the process.

Your capitalist side needs to read some Deming. "Your system is perfectly tuned to produce the results that you are getting." Obviously, then, if you want better results, you need to improve your system.

Also "the product" is ambiguous. Is it the overall product, like how the product sits in the market, how the user interacts with it to achieve their goals, the manufacturability of the product, etc.? That is Steve Jobs sort of focus on the product, and it is really more of a system (how does the product relate to its user, environment, etc). However, AI doesn't produce that product, nor does any individual engineer. If "the product" means "the result of a task", you don't want to optimize that. That's how you get Microsoft and enterprise products. Nothing works well together, and using it is like cutting a steak with a spoon, but it has a truckload of features.

thewoodsmantoday at 5:27 PM

I definitely struggle with both sides, or maybe multiple sides. On the one hand most of my daily output at my job is coming from AI these days. On the other hand I find the explosion of AI-generated "writing" (and other forms of art) to be aesthetically abhorrent. And I've just recently started a ... weird sort of metaphysics / spirituality / but also AI related writing project, so the difference between creation with and without AI is in really sharp focus for me right now.

I wrote an article about this, but honestly I don't think I really captured the totality of my feelings. I really haven't decided where I land. I'm definitely using the tools for economic purposes, and I even have some "pure-fun" side project stuff where I'm getting value from it.

Here's the article if that sounds interesting, would love to discuss the whole topic with anyone who's finding themselves of two (or more) minds on these sorts of issues: https://hermeticwoodsman.substack.com/p/why-i-let-ai-write-m...