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vatsachakyesterday at 9:15 PM9 repliesview on HN

I've always said this but AI will win a fields medal before being able to manage a McDonald's.

Math seems difficult to us because it's like using a hammer (the brain) to twist in a screw (math).

LLMs are discovering a lot of new math because they are great at low depth high breadth situations.

I predict that in the future people will ditch LLMs in favor of AlphaGo style RL done on Lean syntax trees. These should be able to think on much larger timescales.

Any professional mathematician will tell you that their arsenal is ~ 10 tricks. If we can codify those tricks as latent vectors it's GG


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vatsachakyesterday at 9:23 PM

Tricks are nothing but patterns in the logical formulae we reduce.

Ergo these are latent vectors in our brain. We use analogies like geometry in order to use Algebraic Geometry to solve problems in Number Theory.

An AI trained on Lean Syntax trees might develop it's own weird versions of intuition that might actually properly contain ours.

If this sounds far fetched, look at Chess. I wonder if anyone has dug into StockFish using mechanistic interpretability

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hodgehog11yesterday at 11:00 PM

As a professional mathematician, I would say that a good proof requires a very good representation of the problem, and then pulling out the tricks. The latter part is easy to get operating using LLMs, they can do it already. It's the former part that still needs humans, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

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madroxyesterday at 9:52 PM

> I've always said this but AI will win a fields medal before being able to manage a McDonald's.

I love this and have a corollary saying: the last job to be automated will be QA.

This wave of technology has triggered more discussion about the types of knowledge work that exist than any other, and I think we will be sharper for it.

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ryanaryesterday at 10:36 PM

Are they actually producing new math? In the most recent ACM issue there was an article about testing AI against a math bench that was privately built by mathematicians, and what they found is that even though AI can solve some problems, it never truly has come up with something novel and new in mathematics, it is just good at drawing connections between existing research and putting a spin on it.

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3abitonyesterday at 11:34 PM

It will be heavily still reliant onexpert human input and interactions. Knuth is an expert, and know how to guide.

smokelyesterday at 9:21 PM

I think this is mostly about existing legislature, not about technology.

In any other context than when your paycheck depends on it, you would probably not be following orders from a random manager. If your paycheck depended on following the instructions of an AI robot, the world might start to look pretty scary real soon.

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kelseyfrogyesterday at 11:36 PM

As of now, no models have solved a Millennium Prize Problem[1].

1. https://mppbench.com/

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slopinthebagyesterday at 9:34 PM

> AI will win a fields medal before being able to manage a McDonald's

Of course, because it takes multi-modal intelligence to manage a McDonalds. I.e. it requires human intelligence.

> I predict that in the future people will ditch LLMs in favor of AlphaGo style RL

Same for coding as well. LLM's might be the interface we use with other forms of AI though.

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NamlchakKhandroyesterday at 9:34 PM

I've never seen you say that

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