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wahernyesterday at 5:37 PM7 repliesview on HN

> the clitoris did not even make it into standard anatomy textbooks until the 38th edition of Gray’s Anatomy was published in 1995.

This seemed surprising, as it hews too close to an annoying meme in feminism and history generally, that people in prior eras were idiots. And it turns out to be wrong. The clitoris was in Gray's Anatomy until 1947, when it was removed by the editor Charles Goss for the 25th edition. See https://projects.huffingtonpost.com/projects/cliteracy/embed... Indeed, the clitoris had been depicted in Classical medical books.

Why it was removed--and stayed removed for nearly 50 years--would make for an interesting story about mid-century culture, if not for a cynical throwaway comment, though it seems nobody knows Goss' actual motivations.


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jychangyesterday at 9:29 PM

Being removed for versions 25 to 38… honestly confirms the feminist narrative of some people being idiots, though.

Like, imagine documentation on object oriented programming being removed because it offended some functional programming folks.

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bobthepandayesterday at 6:06 PM

There's a fair amount of modern/modernist-era thinking about bending the chaos of humanity to meet rigid ideal social structures, from about the late nineteenth to late twentieth century. And to be clear, the chaos of the early industrial period led to marked declines in public health, sanitation and the like. Some of these innovations worked reasonably well (the standardization of healthcare and schooling), some of them had unforeseen side effects (replacing horses and their large amounts of fecal matter with cars and invisible pollution), and some straight up did not work (much of the social engineering that went into low-income public housing in the West)

Fraterkesyesterday at 6:01 PM

I don’t know about “idiots” but bias towards women was obviously real and prevalent. Treating the idea that that might have influenced medical literature as a “meme” is slightly bizarre to me.

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mahoganyyesterday at 10:37 PM

> annoying meme in feminism and history generally, that people in prior eras were idiots

This sounds like a strawman to me but I’m not well versed in feminism. Do you have examples? On the topic of science, isn’t the criticism more that women were largely ignored or misrepresented in scientific studies? This doesn’t have to be because the authors were “idiots”.

AlecSchueleryesterday at 7:23 PM

> annoying meme in feminism...that people in prior eras were idiots.

Do you have examples of this? I read a lot of feminist literature and it's not something that's ever jumped out to me.

pembrooktoday at 1:30 AM

> The clitoris was in Gray's Anatomy until 1947, when it was removed by the editor Charles Gross for the 25th edition.

This is also false [1]. One guy didn't wake up one day in 1947 and decide to remove all references to the clitoris in Gray's anatomy.

It's yet another version of the same internet myth, the goal being to caricature people in the past as cartoonishly evil and misogynistic.

Please never use Huffington Post articles as a primary source.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9541205/

lkeyyesterday at 11:02 PM

They weren't idiots. And one doesn't have to give Goss the benefit of the doubt, nor his successors. The ensuing 50 years of omission are a clear admission of what the goal was and is.

It is the year of our Lord 2026, men proximate to power are openly speculating about the removal of the vote from all women, the end of no-fault divorce, and laws to enforce a birth rate that increases the prevalence of white skin. None of these policy goals are interested in the clit, or indeed, any health care that doesn't directly contribute to the production of heirs.

So as you pointed out, this omission was done deliberately.

If one points this kind of thing out in a vacuum, you are labelled 'hysterical' or 'doing the annoying meme'. Your reaction of instant scepticism is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Everything is uphill and 'in doubt' until you find a source that's 'credible'. If no one 'legitimate' ever bothered to write it in a way you, a man, will hear it, then it's yet another harpy shrilling about imagined oppression.

You can imagine how exhausting such reactions are the nth time you have to delicately handle them.

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