alt Hacker NewsFunny how that works - I started with Spring both before and after Boot as well as some Scala.
I wouldn’t trade Java / Spring for the world. It forces a coherence, perhaps not perfectly, but it provides guidelines to follow.
I’ve been stuck in Node / TypeScript / Microservice hell for most of the last 15 years and I couldn’t hate it more. The open-source ecosystem is extremely lacking, even now, on something like a good XML library. I think we’ve got four different ones installed in our core platform each handling different needs (traversal, generation, manipulation, validation).
On top of it all, since there isn’t “one way” we’ve got several dozen micro services. There isn’t a single bit of consistency other than “Express.” Logging, authentication, routing, validation - it’s all completely up in the air. It robs us all of efficiency from the lack of common language and pattern. We spend more time refreshing ourselves on any given project than doing feature work or bug fixes.
Madness!
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I hear this a lot from a lot of my coworkers who like Java Spring - they trust Spring to do things right, more than themselves.
On the other hand, I hate Java Spring because I feel like I don't trust it - it doesn't let me look into and understand the internals easily, making me feel like I'm afloat on a pile of abstracts I'm not allowed to look down into.
Looking at some other projects enterprise js/ts codebases though, I see a lot of "I don't understand how this works so I'll try random things until it works". In that kind of environment, I can understand the attraction of Spring - it's not great, but it also won't be a flaming pile of unbaked abstractions.
I’ve Been stuck with Spring for many years too and I think it’s just awful choice for micro services that need to scale, simply due to startup time.
Not to defend Nodejs ecosystem - your points are 100% valid.
With that in mind, I think Go is much better option.
I agree. Whenever I've tried jumping into NodeJS world, I quickly get overwhelmed by the lack of obvious "right" solutions to common problems. There's no way to know which of the dozens of ORM's, auth libraries or whatever will be still around 10 years from now. With Java & Spring the choice is always obvious.
Of course there are "batteries included" frameworks for NodeJS too, but they all seem to be unstable compared to Spring Boot.
Removed microservices and RPC, keep all TypeScript codes in a single monorepo. Avoiding `any` and using ts-rest automatically keep types synchronized between the web and frontend applications.
This has made my life much easier.