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The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

78 pointsby hackernewsbluestoday at 11:09 AM43 commentsview on HN

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advisedwangtoday at 4:16 PM

OK here's my understanding:

- LibreOfficeOnLine (LOOL) was created within The Document Foundation (TDF) but largely developed by Collabora. It was source only and suggested users pay a company to host for them.

- Some within TDF wanted to offer LOOL as a binary offering.

- Collabora moved their contributions to Collabora Online, which they controlled.

- LOOL was archived.

- More recently, LOOL was revived

- Collabora is pissed

- Collabora gets booted from TDF

I suppose this is a fundamental issue with the model of a foundation "owning" a product but a separate for profit company doing all the work. There's always going to be some issue that the two sides disagree on (in this case, how the free version is distributed). The foundation then either has to give in*, and become irrelevant or stand up for their own position, in which case the company is basically forced to pull out their co-operation. It seems unlikely that TDF will be able to make any product progress, and I bet in a few years collabora gets what they want and returns to the fold. TDF will either be cowed forever or this situation will just repeat on the next conflict.

* Like with OpenAI, where the for-benefit part eventually capitulated and became an vestigial organ of a for-profit business.

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MarkusQtoday at 4:34 PM

Pro tip: If you're trying to raise awareness of an issue that's important to you, don't lard up your exposition with sarcasm, insider references and incomprehensible innuendo. If all you manage to communicate is that you're unhappy, people may feel sorry for you but they won't know why.

Say what you mean in plain language; explain the issues and why they matter, and let your readers come to their own conclusions.

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commandlinefantoday at 4:00 PM

As somebody else pointed out, I read the entire article and still can't figure out what the author is actually talking about. That said, this sounds an awful lot like the reddit moderator problem: when you rely on unpaid volunteers, they become activist crusaders.

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anigbrowltoday at 6:13 PM

I was interested in this but the sarcastic and advertorial tone stopped me from getting to the end. It sounds like it describes a real problem but as someone who has not been following the issue it's impossible to separate the facts from the fulmination. I can't tell if something has gone badly wrong with the LibreOffice project or the writer is insinuating as such to promote their own.

siruwastakentoday at 3:42 PM

Is there any other article that actually details what is going on? I feel whiplash from reading this right after the Ruby Central fiasco.

trelanetoday at 7:34 PM

The Open Road to Freedom comic at Collabora is making more and more sense.

https://www.collaboraonline.com/torf-index/

amaccuishtoday at 5:18 PM

This is ironic timing given the OnlyOffice/Euro-Office drama https://www.heise.de/en/news/Euro-Office-OnlyOffice-accuses-...

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not_your_vasetoday at 11:19 AM

Haha, imagine it Apache would merge LibreOffice back to OpenOffice, and developers also switched. Would be the circle of the decade.

On a different note, this industry used to have so much more fun - just solving puzzles to herd bits - before it was flooded by politics.

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everybodyknowstoday at 6:15 PM

The (top-level only) adversaries in this unfortunate drama:

https://www.documentfoundation.org/board/

https://www.collaboraonline.com/about-us/

hackernewsbluestoday at 11:19 AM

https://community.documentfoundation.org/c/board-discuss/26

Looks like there is rebellion in the forums...

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jamesbelchambertoday at 5:09 PM

This is yet another negative article with LiberOffice/TDF at the centre of it (this time with Collabora freely dragging themselves into the muck). This after attacks on OnlyOffice and OpenOffice for, from a relatively external perspective, "existing as competition".

I appreciate that for those "in the trenches" this may be a rallying cry or a shot across the bow, but for the rest of us it is indicating that we keep the whole thing - LibreOffice and Collabora - at arms length. Which is a shame because I've recommended both to people in the past, as well as happily using both at various points myself.

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fred_is_fredtoday at 6:38 PM

I don't have enough background to know if this is an April Fool's joke or not?

yuumeitoday at 5:55 PM

Euro office looking very suspicious here

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halJordantoday at 12:12 PM

I'm sure there's a reason for the blog post, and the dude name checks himself so I'm sure he's important. But i have no idea what he's on about other than he's mad.

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