It's a tough pill for some HNers to swallow, but with a good process, you can vibe-code really good software, and software far more tested, edge-cased, and thoughtful than you would have come up with, especially for software that isn't that one hobby passion project that you love thinking about.

its the same thing. no one can keep up with their plan mode/spec driven whatever process. All agent driven projects become vibe coded "this is not working" projects.

Lot of ppl are only in the beginning stages so they think its different because they came up with some fancy looking formal process to generate vibe.