> i don't think you're wrong necessarily...but rust, golang, zig, mojo, etc are gaining popularity and imo they wouldn't be if they were JVM languages.

> understood, i'm just pointing out that people seem to prefer the apple over the orange.

This is kind of like saying that fewer people are drinking Coke every year and are choosing other beverages. It might be objectively true but it glosses over the fact that literally billions of people drink Coke daily and will continue to do so for decades to come.

The JVM is the same. Some people and organizations might be using zig or mojo (and I have absolutely nothing against zig or mojo, to be clear, I hope they succeed) but many multiple orders of magnitude more individuals and organizations run JVM stuff in a given year and will continue doing so.

At this point, the JVM is a civilizational technology. If it went away tomorrow, multiple banks would fail, entire countries would no longer be able to administer social services, millions of people would die. The JVM is in everything.

Developers on HN using zig, mojo, etc. aren't really a representative sample.