alt Hacker NewsYou make it sound like wishing harm or wishing wellness are activities while not wishing anything is just the default passive state. To me the default posture is not indifference, but wishing wellness.
We throw around words like "interesting", which is a subtle way to say "not normal", which is a subtle way to say that that's not how we would behave and that we think that others shouldn't behave that way either. So I take back what I said about what is interesting to me, and I'll just say that I wish it was normal to wish well to others, regardless of their actions or repercussions you impose on them.
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> You make it sound like wishing harm or wishing wellness are activities while not wishing anything is just the default passive state.
Not what I said.
> To me the default posture is not indifference, but wishing wellness.
Same here. I’m not convinced that’s the default state for everyone, though. David Foster Wallace’s “This is Water” comes to mind.
> We throw around words like "interesting", which is a subtle way to say "not normal", which is a subtle way to say that that's not how we would behave and that we think that others shouldn't behave that way either.
Sure, I get that. Though you’re still answering as if what was in question was the neutral state of “people you don’t associate with” rather than the negative state in question mentioned by your original parent comment of “someone who has wronged you”.
> I'll just say that I wish it was normal to wish well to others, regardless of their actions or repercussions you impose on them.
Interesting. No criticism on my part. My wish would rather be that we don’t wrong each other (which, crucially, requires intentionality) in the first place. And while I don’t typically wish ill on others, I don’t think it’s wrong to not wish well on those who cause harm. If you’re a despot oppressing millions of people for your own selfish benefit, I don’t really think wishing you well is a positive action.
But again, no judgement, I was trying to understand your position, so thank you for clarifying. Have a nice weekend.
> You make it sound like wishing harm or wishing wellness are activities while not wishing anything is just the default passive state. To me the default posture is not indifference, but wishing wellness.
It looks like you've misinterpreted both what I said and what latexr said. Allow me to clarify and reorient the conversation back to the original direction...
First, neither of us is the universal subject. Your default feeling and my default feeling are not "the" default feeling. There's no such thing as "the" default feeling.
Second, nothing I or they said has anything to do with any "default passive state", because this is not a "default passive" situation. The word "betray" here is important. "Betrayal" happens actively, not passively. Feel however you want to feel about your passive default situation. This situation is different.
The only way someone can "betray" trust is by harming you on purpose after you've put trust in them. If they harm you on purpose without trust, they have not betrayed trust. If they harmed you accidentally with trust, they may "lose" that trust if the trust is predicated on being more careful, but they have not "betrayed" the trust. They only "betray" your trust if you put trust in them and then they harm you on purpose.
> I'll just say that I wish it was normal to wish well to others, regardless of their actions
Sorry Siddhartha, if someone actively "betrays" me they can go die in a fire. That has nothing to do with my "default passive" feeling about people.