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0xbadcafebeetoday at 2:17 AM1 replyview on HN

It's raised in the sense that some people made a pinky promise to give them cash. But those people also don't have the money and have to raise it from other places. It's largely SoftBank, Oracle, Microsoft and Nvidia, all of whom don't have big piggybanks full of hundreds of billions. They ask for loans based on the promise of making cash to pay for it, and that cash is based on people wanting to use OpenAI. So it's kind of a big financial circle jerk. (Debt, SPVs, loans from Nvidia (at high interest rates), etc)


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nltoday at 3:40 AM

This isn't right

> It's largely SoftBank, Oracle, Microsoft and Nvidia, all of whom don't have big piggybanks full of hundreds of billions.

Actually SoftBank, Microsoft and Nvidia literally have free cash sitting there.

NVIDIA for example had over $60B in audited, reported free cash flow in 2025[1]

> loans from Nvidia (at high interest rates),

Is this just something you are making up?

"NVIDIA intends to invest up to $100 billion in OpenAI as the new NVIDIA systems are deployed. The first phase is targeted to come online in the second half of 2026 using the NVIDIA Vera Rubin platform."[2]

The closes there is to waht you are saying is reporting that NVIDIA has discussed guaranteeing some of the loans OpenAI is taking to build data centers:

"Nvidia is discussing guaranteeing some of the loans that OpenAI is planning to take out in order to build its own data centers, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing people familiar with the matter."[3]

This of course is the opposite of NVIDIA loaning OpenAI money - if they did this they would be liable for OpenAI's debts.

[1] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financia...

[2] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/openai-and-nvidia-announc...

[3] https://archive.is/Gpvq2#selection-1299.0-1301.181