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France pulls last gold held in US for $15B gain

215 pointsby teleforcetoday at 8:03 AM132 commentsview on HN

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u1hcw9nxtoday at 11:03 AM

>However, an operation to repatriate its gold holdings began in the 1960s leading up to the US termination of the Bretton Woods system, which effectively stopped foreign governments from exchanging dollars for gold.

French-US monetary history after WWII:

Under the Bretton Woods agreement (1944-1971), the US dollar was the world’s reserve currency, and it was pegged to gold at $35 per ounce. Other countries pegged their currencies to the dollar.

around 1965, De Gaulle initiated a systematic, aggressive policy where they converted USD into physical gold every time French acquired USD from trade, then French Navy picked those gold bullions from NY. By 1971, the US gold reserves had decreased so much that they did not cover the dollars circulating globally and Nixon "closed the gold window,"

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cladopatoday at 9:03 AM

This is not gain at all. At least in theory: You own some tons of gold at the start of the process, you have the same tons of gold at the end of the process.

The only real gain is that you have gold in the US custody and the US can be tempted to just use it without telling you anything.

In other words, you had "paper gold" or "virtual gold" that the US can confiscate anytime, for example after invading Greenland, blackmailing France to do nothing.

You gain custody of what is yours.

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codethieftoday at 9:35 AM

Is anyone here actually reading the article? Yes, they really made a gain of $15B:

> But instead of refining and transporting the gold, it opted to sell the bars and purchase new bullion in Europe. […] Due to rising gold prices, the move helped the bank to generate a capital gain of 13 billion euros ($15 billion),

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carefree-bobtoday at 8:26 AM

Good for France to relocate gold back to their own territory, but, uh, how can this result in a 15 B gain?

"The overall size of France’s gold reserves still remained unchanged at roughly 2,437 tonnes, which are now entirely held at the BdF’s underground vault in La Souterraine."

Is this some special form of French accounting, where the gold becomes more valuable when it returns to French soil?

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RobotToastertoday at 10:36 AM

At least they got their gold this time.

The last time they asked for their gold back Nixon "temporarily" ended the convertibility of the USD to gold.

rstarasttoday at 8:54 AM

This seems to be the source article (Reuters, March 24): https://www.reuters.com/business/french-central-bank-books-1...

tonfatoday at 9:28 AM

On that topic, video about the underground vault: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txyKenOq5Pw

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KingOfCoderstoday at 9:39 AM

Germany also needs to pull all gold. We have 1236t there.

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PowerElectronixtoday at 10:38 AM

I doubt the claim, honestly. Such an institution would never buy and sell to trade the market, they probably never stopped being exposed to gold by buying and selling simultaneously and the 15b is the realized gain of the sold gold, which is only in paper as they still hold the gold.

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fenykeptoday at 8:50 AM

Site doesn't load for me. https://archive.is/ePH8u

aucisson_masquetoday at 8:28 AM

Not done for political reasons.

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wolvoleotoday at 9:32 AM

We in Holland should do the same but our government (especially the right wing VVD) adores the US so they never bothered :(

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fasdfplasjk5425today at 9:41 AM

Looks like we're at the beginning of

FBRICS

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shevy-javatoday at 10:08 AM

Considering how Project2025 declared Europeans as enemy, it really is time to focus on more reliable partners than the current (and most likely future) USA version. Trump is a war-president - when he babbles about what Project2025 tells him to say, he stumbles over his own lies increasingly so, most likely because his brain no longer works that well. The recent "we can not extend health care and social care because we must wage wars" was kind of a slip-up of the real agenda - not that this is a real secret either, but even folks who voted for Trump thinking he cares about him (as if billionaires care about other people ever), should now realise the path the USA has decided to walk. ICE shooting down US citizens also show this - you protest, you get shot.

Alexzoofficialtoday at 10:37 AM

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renewiltordtoday at 9:16 AM

I did this once. I bought Bitcoin on an exchange for $65k then I transferred it to my own wallet for a gain of $65k then I sold that for $65k for a total of $130k. Then I used the $130k on the exchange to buy Bitcoin again. Before I knew it, I was a trillionaire. Unfortunately the last time I tried to do it I bought my coins on FTX.

When you buy it make sure you use a French account though. If you use any other account then transferring the Bitcoin will just get you a Bitcoin not both the Bitcoin and the money. It’s European mathematics.