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> Siding with a dictatorial regime

Right, Iran used to have a parliament with Mossadegh as prime minister, what happened there? Oh yaa, Mossadegh wanted Iranian oil for Iranians, so the US and UK overthrew Mossadegh, with the help of conservative mullahs, and installed a dictatorship. Then SAVAK with CIA help spent decades slaughtering the secular opposition.

> that’s murdered 100s of their own people

There are armed Balochi and Kurdish separatists shooting at the Iranian army right now, no doubt with clandestine Israeli and US support. Incidentally the Kurds had their own state at the end of WWII, until the US and UK made them dissolve into Iran.

Also aside from the bombings, the Basij have been fired on from the ground and have fired back. Who is arming the people shooting at the Basij is unknown, but some signs point to Israel.

I write this less than three months after armed federal personnel decided to march into Minneapolis and among other things kill a nurse and also a woman.

> and aided terrorist organizations

The Arabs in southern Lebanon and the Gaza strip have lived there a long time. Over the past century Zionist Jews from around the world have been invading their land, shooting, bombing, starving them. If they fight back the epithet terrorist is applied to them, and if these brave men fighting for their people are assigned the word, it gives it a great esteem.

I watched "One Battle After Another" and it shows how deranged people are. I don't think its a new thing, I just think in any stable society, people who don't thrive eventually find a way to destroy the society in the hope whatever comes next will serve them better. In a society where hard work and intelligent gives you an advantage, it stands to reason that lazy, stupid people will need to play differently in order to win.

I can't wait to read wikipedia in 30 years.

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Check out the history behind this and how the US has treated Iran because of their Oil for almost a hundred years now. This is 100% on the west in my opinion. We've been abusing these people for the longest time.

I will side with any country that's being illegally attacked, and whose population is being illegally targeted, thank you very much. Sovereignty is fundamental, it's been broken. The state of Iran is the result of US and Israeli meddling. There was time for criticizing Iran before it was attacked.

When I first heard about the protests in Iran, I assigned automatically the blame on the dictatorial regime.

Nevertheless, after the following events and after extra information provided by the US government itself, this is no longer so clear cut.

The truth is that we do not really know what happened in Iran, how many have been killed and whether that was really an internal protest against the regime or a coup attempt organized by USA.

The timing of the protests is too suspicious. The most plausible hypothesis is that US/Israeli agents have initiated the protests by influencing a great number of well-intended internal opponents of the regime, who probably have suffered then most from this action.

If some of the opposition had received US weapons, that can explain the paranoia of the dictatorial regime, even if there is little doubt that the retaliations against the opposition must have affected many who had no ties with USA or Israel.

Until credible information will surface about what really happened in Iran at the beginning of the year, we can affirm only that it is likely that the dictatorial regime has killed or tortured many non-violent opponents, but there is nothing certain about this.

On the other hand, the unprovoked crimes committed by USA since the beginning of the year against countries like Iran or Cuba are certain facts, about which there exists no doubt whatsoever, because the top US officials are bragging about them.

For all we know, USA might have already killed more Iranian civilians than the Iran government, so any claims that the attacks done by USA are somehow intended for supporting the Iranian people, are completely ridiculous.

While Iran is bad - US is engaged in war crimes (they even brag about it). It’s like when Russians defend their war crimes by saying that Ukraine is corrupt.

I agree with you on principle, but you're oversimplifying things if you think that opposition to the United States or Israel is all about a single person.

I think it's possible to have a grown-up discussion about the production value, cultural relevance, and effectiveness of propaganda without "siding" with the videos' sponsors. This appears to be an uncomfortable case of bad people speaking at least some truth--to the point where it's resonating.

Churchill and Eisenhower beg to disagree. When everyone is bad, you focus on restraining the most powerful actor first.

There was an interview with a historian and he said an interesting thing about the ancient Sparta: "Everything we know about Sparta we know from its enemies".

So instead we must side with another regime that slaughtered 72'000 innocent civilians of another country, most of whom were women and children?

Do you mean the US of I?

Remember Snowden? Remmeber Assange? Remember Aaron Swartz? Remember the terrorizing of Occupy Wallstreet organizers? Remember the funding of terrorists all over Africa? Remember Libya? Remember who funded Isis?

Is that regime you are talking about?

> Siding with a dictatorial regime that’s murdered 100s of their own people and aided terrorist organizations

I'm getting really tired of this. United States and Israel have bombed and killed more innocent people than I can count on. The biggest terrorist regime is United States right now, bombing schools.

Your own president tweets out war crimes, your secretary of defense proudly proclaims "no quarters" and "send them back to the stone age".

Do me a favor, and please lay off the morality lecture.

How about you talk about the Gaza genocide for once? Or the IRAQ war that killed millions of people? Or using nuclear weapons on Japan? or the killing and raping of Vietnamese ?

Or the fact that you backed Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iranians during the 8 year war?

The number is well in the thousands/tens of thousands, and we have no way of knowing precisely because, well, it's a dictatorial regime.

i really can't tell which side you're talking about

You are absolutely correct. However, I fear you're running up against the basic human instinct of "my enemy's enemy is my friend.".

I also wonder how many actually support them, and how much is just a result of opinions boosted by bots?

A regime driven by a weird religious cult and murdering their own citizens is battling a regime which is driven by a weird religious cult and is murdering their own citizens.

I think in this situation it is okay to cheer on both sides.

Cue dozens of comments doing exactly that...

Who is siding with Iran?

I appreciate that this statement accurately describes all three regimes primarily involved without naming one.

You mean like siding with the dictatorial regime that provided material support to the 9/11 hijackers, 15/19 of whom were nationals of that country? And then we wanted to question 3 menders of the royal family who were implicated they all mysteriously fell out of windows, died in a car accident or otherwise died?

Another national was a renowned arms dealer linked to both Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. And then that arms dealer’s nephew was chopped up in a foreign embassy and taken away in pieces?

They murdered thousands of our citizens let alone theirs.

What leg do we have to stand on here exactly?

Trump just yesterday admitted to arming anti-Iranian insurrectionists. So Iran did not "murder 100s of their own people", they fought off a CIA armed coup.

There's an implicit tolerance of authoritarian regimes so long as the price is right. This is nothing new.

Which one? If you mean Iran, "100s of" seems like a weird understatement.

Today’s world is messed up. Look at EU leaders rubbing shoulders with Syrian president/ex-terrorist.