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analog31yesterday at 10:29 PM4 repliesview on HN

I'm a jazz musician, and my kids are both professional classical players. I've asked them why they don't learn to play jazz. My daughter described pretty much what Glass is saying here. She calls it "fear of sucking." She knows what good jazz improvisation sounds like, and trying to make herself do it is pretty discouraging.

Not that there's anything wrong with loving and playing classical music, which is a factor too.

This may be why it's different when you start very young. You're not conscious of your own sucking, you just play, usually in a setting where everybody's congratulating you. For sucking. ;-)

I started on classical, and got into jazz by accident, as a bassist. It turns out that you can function in a band as a bassist without having to improvise very much, so I was able to learn at my own pace and eventually did. In fact a lot of good jazz players started out in school jazz bands or large ensembles where you didn't have to be a good improviser right up front.


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gritspantsyesterday at 11:25 PM

I picked up Violin as an adult, have done recitals, and I suck. Being able to suck and find joy in something anyway even if you're not top nth percentile is a valuable life skill.

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socalgal2today at 2:37 AM

"Dude, sucking at something is the first step at being sorta good at someting" - Jake the Dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8YiTeU9XU

jzemeocalatoday at 4:35 PM

this reminds me of when i was 16 and a multi-instrumentalist but in love with the bass i had a chance to go to any music school anywhere that i could get into (top choice was the academy of music in rotterdam) i eventually settled on what i thought would be a rock school (based on the instruments taught) in clearwater by some guy id never heard of named jeff berlin.....lol

TimBytetoday at 1:41 PM

"Fear of sucking" is such a perfect way to put it