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  "We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated."
The ten point plan which had previously been rejected outright? The 10-point plan which leaves Iran in an incredibly better financial position? So, apart from blowing up children, what did the US gain out of this?

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eclipticplanetoday at 12:24 AM

> what did the US gain out of this

Market manipulation and the media largely forgetting about a certain set of files that reference many people in powerful positions.

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mcs5280today at 12:58 AM

His insider buddies bought the dip so it's time to pump. It's all about enriching themselves with inside information

cjbgkaghtoday at 12:28 AM

I think this 10 point plan drops the need for US to pay reparations instead relying on transit fees which will be split with Oman.

Missiles are still flying so it’s hard to say who has really agreed to what.

I’ve heard rumors that Iran has agreed to dilute its highly enriched uranium so maybe the US could count that as a win. Given they’ve demonstrated sufficient conventional deterrence they may feel that they don’t need the nukes, especially if they can get some sort of Chinese backed security guarantee. But that might be a trial balloon or wishful thinking.

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bawolfftoday at 12:53 AM

Its only a 2 week ceasefire. Maybe after 2 weeks the sides stay settled down. Maybe they go back to shooting each other. I wouldn't call it over yet.

As far as the geopolitical consequences of all this, i think its still pretty unclear where the chips will fall, but whether a win or a loss for usa, i think the consequences of this war will be significant.

dzongatoday at 12:46 AM

some people got very very rich. like rich - that their great grandkids don't have to work.

that's the price of "freedom".

both sides get to save face - Trump says they won, his cronies n himself got rich. Iran gets a better deal than before. Israel gets rid of US bases in the Middle East via Iran.

of course the poor and downtrodden get shifted - that never changes.

scoofytoday at 12:36 AM

Honestly? I presume Trump and Iran both gain the ability to kick the can... which they both want. That ten-point plan is 'unrealistic' but he gets to beat his cheats and it looks like both sides are 'claiming' victory here. That this isn't a workable long-term solution seems almost irrelevant. We're at a point where our bargaining frictions are so high, that we'd both rather remain in this standoff as long as possible even if we don't actually resolve it, because resolving it means serious pain on both sides, whereas the US has about a week before the pain really starts hitting consumers and investors.

"What Causes Wars: An Introduction to Crisis Bargaining Theory", by William Spaniel, PHD and professor, specializing in game-theory and specifically crisis bargaining theory: https://youtu.be/xjKVcl_lDfo?si=NFHvjOdWbLbPOOvA

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Avshalomtoday at 12:42 AM

No available evidence suggests that Trump and Hegseth don't just like blowing up children.

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7thpowertoday at 12:23 AM

I don’t know, but I hear the Trump boys are going to be doing a JV on some gold plated Persian toll booths. That family has unreal foresight.

panick21_today at 12:33 AM

The US got what it actually needed in the Obama area nuclear deal. Trump wont get much more useful stuff.

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incompatibletoday at 12:44 AM

Trump kept his name in the headlines, for a narcissist that's all that matters.

babypunchertoday at 12:44 AM

It successfully pushed the Epstein files out of the news cycle for an entire month.

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ajrosstoday at 12:33 AM

> what did the US gain out of this?

The best steelman argument[1] is that it was a failed gamble. The protests of a few months back (also the improbable success in Venezuela) made them think they could topple the regime. They couldn't.

It's been clear for weeks now that the US has lost this war. The only question was how long it would take Trump to disengage and what the trigger would be.

And the answers appear to be "two more weeks" and "when one plausibly genocidal gaffe went too far and fractured his domestic coalition".

[1] Which... I mean, steelman analysis has its place. But really no, this was just dumb.

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chatmastatoday at 12:44 AM

What are the chances Claude was used on both sides of this negotiation?

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