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Cyph0nlast Wednesday at 2:18 AM8 repliesview on HN

> Freedom of navigation is a core global principal

And Iran has been respecting that principle for decades. So why exactly did the US and Israel (and GCC countries) think that the status quo would remain even if they keep antagonizing Iran? Imagine getting bombed during negotiations - not once, but twice in a single year! Their sovereignty was being disrespected, so now they're understandably establishing a new status quo.

And btw, if Iran and Oman cooperate, there is no threat to "freedom of navigation" under international law.

In a nutshell: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


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adrian_blast Wednesday at 6:37 AM

Moreover, USA has been the first who has stopped respecting the freedom of navigation, by implementing a blockade of Cuba and preventing the oil tankers to reach Cuba, already since February, before the Iran war.

USA does not respect any international law, but it demands from others to do this.

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theonethinglast Wednesday at 3:13 AM

> Iran has been respecting that principle for decades

May 2022: two Greek Tankers seized by IRGC commandos

2023: Tankers Advnatage Sweet and Niovi seized by IRGC commandos

Jan 2024: St. Nikolas seized by Iranian Navy

Apr 2024: MSC Aries seized by IRGC commandos

During the Tanker War 1981 - 1988: Iran was responsible for approximately 168 attacks on merchant ships

July 1987: Kuwait tanker MV Bridgeton struck by Iranian mine April

1988: USS SAmuel B. Roberts nearly sunk by Iranian mine.

2019 Limpet Mine Attacks

July 2021: Iranian drone strike on MT Mercer Street

Nov 2022: Pacific Zircon struck by Iranian drone

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nostreboredlast Wednesday at 2:36 AM

Iran has been funding and arming groups which threaten maritime security for a while now. They also have been obviously attempting a nuclear weapons program while saying if they achieve their aim that they will do crazy shit.

I guess the games you think are stupid depend immensely on your priors.

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hattmalllast Wednesday at 1:57 PM

Iran has been keeping it open to avoid attacks. Their first order of business if they get nuclear weapons would be closing the strait and implementing a far more massive toll. They already have ICBM capable of hitting Europe. This isn't really America's problem though, the price of oil won't go parabolic, it will fracture. That's what the current price action is leaning towards. So cheaper oil in the Americas and vastly more expensive oil in Europe.

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unyttigfjelltollast Wednesday at 2:30 AM

> play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Yeah, the game Iran is now trying to play is called “Pipelines and Pirates”.

There’s actually a ship deployed to the region right now named after the standard US response to this game, the USS Tripoli.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

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ericmaylast Wednesday at 2:21 AM

Oman isn’t the only country in the region, and any country should expect their ships to sail peacefully. Last I checked it’s the US and Israel at war with Iran, not others - no justification for charging transit fees.

Second, you’re ignoring decades of history and picking an arbitrary point to say that’s when some animosity started. Nobody forced Iran to build all these missiles and to try and build a nuclear weapon or kill their own people or fund actual terrorist groups as designated by the United States and European Union. If you drag out negotiations long enough you never get bombed! What a thought lol.

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BobbyJolast Wednesday at 2:31 AM

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Amezaraklast Wednesday at 10:05 AM

> Imagine getting bombed during negotiations - not once, but twice in a single year!

All other problems with the Iran war aside, there's absolutely nothing unusual about this, this is standard. Countries that go to war with each other are almost always mid-negotiations. Usually negotiations of some level go on throughout a war as well.

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