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kstenerudtoday at 6:26 AM5 repliesview on HN

> Nonetheless, he said, his research offers evidence that Native Americans were doing complex counting and were likely to have been the first humans to contemplate concepts like the law of large numbers, a mathematics concept that describes how a random sample will trend toward an equal distribution over time.

That's a stretch. Most early "gambling" was a way of putting the choice to the gods.


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tech_kentoday at 3:35 PM

Regardless of the cosmological framing of the practice, people throughout history have devoted substantial effort to mapping the dynamics of probabilistic objects. For example, Sikidy is a randomized tool used for 'fortune telling' by some indigenous groups in Madagascar, where a 'random seed state' (using modern terminology) is used to deterministically generate a larger final state which provides the reading (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikidy). Practitioners of Sikidy really care about understanding the dynamics of the system, for example they implemented some algorithmic checks which can be applied to the final state to confirm that it was generated properly.

I'm not saying that this guarantees that early native Americans derived the law of large numbers or whatever, but I don't think it's sound reasoning to assume that people wouldn't study the mathematical behavior of a random system just because it's "the hand of God".

cassepipetoday at 12:28 PM

> the intellectual aspects of native Native American cultures have really been sidelined, if not consciously suppressed by colonial powers

Or maybe intellectual refers to someone a position in a society that sufficiently is well-off to be able to support some guy not having to provide work for collective survival and who can spend time trying to formalize abstract thinking for which writing would help with (which north americans natives did not have)

It's ok, it can be an interesting culture worthy of being studied, and of course they weren't dummies, without trying to pretend that north american natives were "contemplating concepts like the law of large numbers" without writing device or support nor some kind of alphabet, come on

Yes colonization is awful and yes the natives were genocided but that doesn't mean that everyone was on its way too landing on the moon had they not been suppressed both physically and culturally. The path to civilization only gets narrower and the people who get to contribute meaningfully fewer and fewer.

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anthktoday at 7:07 AM

People used to play board games to gamble/predict, for sure; but they also liked a moneyless/careless play.

calftoday at 6:35 AM

If his evidence of complex counting is convincing, then it's not implausible to me that they soon also had some rudimentary understanding of e.g. coin flip frequencies.

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