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asdefghykyesterday at 9:56 PM

RE "...Cloud Storage not enabled by Default ..."

The issue is that Microsoft is moving users files to its cloud with out explaining to people CLEARLY what is happening. And getting their customers agreement. And this deception, in MY OPINION is obviously by design , meant to grow their cloud storage revenue thru upgrade offers

If Microsoft was doing it properly, it would be CLEARLY explained to customer what was to happen and getting their agreement. to store files in cloud.

Having used computers , since late 70s, Microsoft has a very long history of dodgy actions for their own benefit and at detriment to customer

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Fabricio20yesterday at 9:57 PM

Somewhat related but I was talking about the OneDrive thing yesterday with a few non-tech friends and it has backfired so many times it's insane. OneDrive seems to take over the folder handling in windows for some reason, instead of just copying the data to the cloud. Any game you play puts stuff in My Games under Documents and you just installed windows? Yep, its gonna sync your entire FFXIV patch files into the cloud, that's 180gb of patches as the launcher downloads the game. tmodloader? Yep and then it's going to fail to launch the game. Skyrim and Starfield save data? Yep. Literally had to help someone troubleshoot that yesterday and the fix is just to uninstall OneDrive so the folder becomes a normal folder again. Had the ffxiv issue myself and the funniest part was getting a notification from microsoft to update my storage plan because it was full... I dont think people would be so much annoyed by OneDrive if it worked like other sync apps that just.. copied your file to the cloud. And maybe if it wasn't an annoying pop-up when you installed windows and didn't set it up (if we logged in, just set it up automatically and dont bother the user), etc..

sonzohanyesterday at 10:03 PM

Your ad hominem attacks aside, The point the author is trying to make is that Microsoft is actively using dark patterns in an operating system to get them to buy things.

If you simply disable OneDrive without correctly uninstalling, the system will blast notifications at you with an ominous warning "You could lose data your system isn't backed up!"

PowerShell and most CLIs are terrifying to non-technical people. Literally Here Be Dragons. The layperson might be skeptical of a YouTuber telling them to run a dodgy script, but in the age of "delete system32" people sure as hell aren't going to run a command as admin that a user on a random forum recommends they run.

Stuff like this is why I have moved all of my systems except my gaming PC to Linux.

Edit: no seriously look at this notification https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/f5907... Grandma absolutely does not understand what that means, She just knows she doesn't want to lose photos of her grandchildren.

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dev_l1x_beyesterday at 9:54 PM

p99.999 user meets p50 users reality. If you don’t like this post on HN close the tab.

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fhnyesterday at 10:24 PM

Yes it is. You start your brand new computer and put files into it only to find out all that is stored on their Cloud without your consent. That's literal digital theft and fraud.

asdefghykyesterday at 9:59 PM

RE Uninstalling Edge. There will likely be some unintended side effect - is my experience

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jmclnxyesterday at 10:10 PM

>Cloud Storage being enabled by default is not abuse,

I disagree, taking my data without explicit permission is stealing and abuse.

>If you don't want OneDrive, uninstall it

I heard if you do that, it gets reinstalled. Is that true ?

> you are seeking to be able to uninstall Edge without hackery

Per people I know. using Firefox you will be constantly nagged to use Edge. I never used Windows so I do not know if that is true.

Taking my data sounds to me Microsoft is abusive. I liked M/S in the early DOS Days, but left when they started doing border line illegal things to grab market share. I say people using Windows should move elsewhere too.

Forgeties79yesterday at 9:52 PM

>uninstall it

Go tell all our parents to navigate that process. Microsoft is very insistent on their using onedrive.

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