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djtangotoday at 10:10 AM5 repliesview on HN

Magic or no, ultimately "AI" leads to labour displacement and it's just a continuation of the much broader trend of automation driven by computers.

Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living and in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level.

It was always going to be met with violence once it became more than a curiosity for tinkerers.


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andaitoday at 12:17 PM

We have, as a civilization, two paths before us:

a) Decouple the value of human life from labour.

b) Watch as the value of human life rapidly approaches zero.

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Though I'd expand this by adding "technically alive" is not a very good standard to aim for. Ostensibly we're already heading for something like poverty level UBI + living in pod + eating the proverbial bugs. We need a level above that!

A great exploration of the pitfalls of "preserve humanity" as a reward function is the video game SOMA. I think you also need "preserve dignity" to make the life actually worth living.

(Path `a` is not without its pitfalls: what lack of survival pressure might do to the human culture and genome, I leave as an exercise for the reader! But path `b` I think we already have enough examples of, to know better...)

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MontyCarloHalltoday at 12:48 PM

>Labour displacement leads to an erosion of standards of living

The two biggest labor displacements in human history were the agricultural and industrial revolutions, both of which resulted in enormous gains in human living standards. Can you think of a mass labor displacement that resulted in an overall erosion of living standards? I cannot.

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georgemcbaytoday at 10:31 AM

> in a world that ties purpose to work is an existential threat on a very practical level.

I don't disagree that we tie purpose to work and severing that tie will have negative societal consequences, but it is far more impactful that we tie the ability to continue to exist to work (for anyone not lucky enough to already be wealthy).

If I suddenly became unemployable tomorrow I'm positive I could find alternate purpose in my life to fill that gap, I already volunteer for various causes and could happily do more of the same to fill in the gaps left by lack of work. What I couldn't do is feed myself, keep myself housed, and get medical care (especially in the US, where this is very directly tied to work).

The really big fuckup we are committing as a society in the US (may or may not apply to each person's country individually) isn't just this looming threat of massive labor displacement due to AI, it is that instead of planning for any sort of soft landing we are continually slashing what few social safety nets already exist. We are creating the conditions for desperation that likely will result in increasing violence as outlined in the linked post.

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yfwtoday at 10:42 AM

If ai benefitted everyone and not just the billionaires we would be viewing it differently.

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