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Von der Leyen uses Orbán defeat to push for end of veto in EU foreign policy

24 pointsby nickslaughter02today at 2:37 PM29 commentsview on HN

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iknownothowtoday at 6:49 PM

Out of curiosity, can there not be something like a two party or N party veto? i.e. requiring a minimum of two or N parties to work together to veto?

The choice between just a single party having a veto power vs no party with veto powers seems a little black and white to me. Happy to be enlightened on the matter.

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dh2022today at 6:18 PM

Interesting situation. EU is asking countries to give up their right to veto foreign policy decisions. Any country can veto this proposal.

Hmmm, what would I do if giving up the right to veto hinged on my veto power?

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iammjmtoday at 6:30 PM

To all against a priori against this, I encourage you to read up on the history and consequences of "liberum veto"

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watwuttoday at 4:28 PM

It is actually a good idea.

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Georgelementaltoday at 5:10 PM

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solaarphunktoday at 5:55 PM

Brussels appears to be extremely tone deaf to the basic needs of ordinary people, and taking further steps in a direction to centralize power is just going to push more people to the far right.

For example, the fact that right-wing governments in central and eastern Europe are protecting their borders, represents a very popular perspective, apparently shared by very few in the EU governing body.

Consolidating power at a moment when many EU policies are clearly unpopular seems like it will have unintended consequences.

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raxxorraxortoday at 3:29 PM

The EU has a problem with a lack of legitimisation of the whole political construct and other power players know about this weakness. The degree of freedom in political decision is strongly inhibited.

This wouldn't solve any problems either, on the contrary. Personally I don't feel like a EU citizen. It is like being a citizen of a bureaucratic monster that serves no specific function. That tries to justify its existence not through being a guardian of common values, but a bureaucracy of not-quite-experts.

I genuinely wonder about people that feel patriotic about the EU. I have nothing against them, I just don't want to share the same house.

Orban was someone to point the finger to for what feels like decades. To see this result and extract a mission to extend EU powers is delusional in my opinion.

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nickysielickitoday at 4:16 PM

> Orbán, the EU’s most autocratic leader […] lost by a decisive margin in Sunday’s vote, amid the highest turnout in Hungary’s democratic history.

What a ridiculous sentence. He’s an autocrat, but he’s out of power after losing a democratic election. Which is it?

Words have meaning.

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