> Commit to something?

Yes, with an actual payment (processed credit card transaction), a signed contract with clear payment terms, or a convincing promise to pay such as a written instruction to send an invoice.

A lot of startups have made the mistake of thinking "customers" are the same as "downloads of a free app" or "people who created an online account" or "people who signed up to be notified of the actual launch."

Accelerators once encouraged this ("you have to show progress to investors on demo day!") but unless you have actual paying customers it's not a real business.

Reached for money, I take it.

> What do you mean by that? Promise some investment? Commit to something?

Commitment, in any form. Best is a signature on a purchase order.

The Mom Test is a good explanation of why you don't have PMF with the client until you receive a purchase order.

In short, people don't want to tell you things that hurt your feelings, especially if you're a good sales person (good sales people are likeable, you aren't closing if the client doesn't like you).

So you're sitting their with the clients team, and they like you, you made a good impression. No one wants to tell you "Look, it's not what we want, it's best you be on your way". What they'll do instead is:

1. Try to soften the blow with "We like it but we have to get sign-off from $VP first" (blame it on the non-present Big Bad Wolf); you tell them "Can we pull them in now? How about tomorrow?"

2. "Don't have the budget but we'll put it in the upcoming budget in a few months" (Hoping you won't know on their door again in 4 months); You tell them fine, we can sign now for deployment in a few months, before the rates increase you will have in a few months, and you'll throw in a discount as well.

3. "Can it do $X, $Y and $X" (Hoping you'll say "No" and then bugger off); you tell them they can make $X, $Y and $Z part of the signed purchase order.

4. "We have a lot of projects going on now, don't have capacity to manage this" (Hoping, again, you'll bugger off and forget to come back); this is one you don't respond to, you just back off because they don't need your product that badly.

If a business wants what you are selling, you will have a signed purchase order the next day. If you don't get that signed PO, you follow up over the course of maybe a month. After that you spend your limited sales resources on someone else.

Once, I spoke telephonically with an (existing) client in the morning on an upsell, and had their signed purchase order about two hours later. Fair enough, this was an existing client, but the upsell was for a completely new product.

My rule of thumb is "demo once, and record the demo". If higher ups need to see a demo before they okay, they can see the video. If the demo was not to the correct group, the correct group can see the demo (and they'll request another demo if they want one, the existing group won't ask for another demo without new participants).

Look, sales means you do more work than the client, but they still have some work to do, and if they don't do it then they're not committed.