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Aurornistoday at 1:33 PM1 replyview on HN

I think it’s long past the time where we can pretend that The Agile Manifesto is representative of what the word “Agile” means in tech companies.

The manifesto is a minimal set of principles but every real world Agile shop I’ve interacted with has subscribed to a set of processes that everyone in tech would recognize as “Agile”.

The manifesto has become a safe retreat that agile fans bring out whenever someone has criticisms about real-world agile; Whenever someone has a complaint about Agile as implemented in the real world, someone will show up and try to defend it by pointing out that The Agile Manifesto doesn’t contain the specific thing they dislike.

The Agile industry moved beyond The Agile Manifesto almost as soon as it was popularized. We can’t keep returning to it as some safe home base that shields Agile from any criticism.


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sillyfluketoday at 2:45 PM

>The Agile industry moved beyond The Agile Manifesto almost as soon as it was popularized.

Yeah, spending the amount of words in this thread trying to diagnose or complain about this simple problem in abstract strokes seems silly and frankly confounds me when considering the amount of time people wish to waste discussing the problem.

As with political parties, bad gentrification in cities, and all the rest, once money and consultants turn things into an industry you're pretty much fucked.

People should just immediately stop taking people with conflicting interests at face value when they talk. Stick to concrete details when you talk about stuff, avoid industry terms, don't let them turn things into abstract and general discussions. It only feeds the trolls (consultants) when you even complain generally about it.

Fight it with your day-to-day actions, not so much with your words. And then let it die in silence, it will die faster (I'm referring to any tech topic captured by consultants and monied interests).