alt Hacker NewsThis is cool work, but it's also somewhat unsurprising: this is a recurring problem with fancy, richly-featured terminal apps. I think we had at least ten publicly reported vulns of this type in the past 15 years. We also had vulnerabilities in tools such as less, in text editors such as vim, etc. And notably, many of these are logic bugs - i.e., they are not alleviated by a rewrite to Rust.
I don't know what to do with this. I think there's this problematic tension between the expectation that on one hand, basic OS-level tools should remain simple and predictable; but on the other hand, that of course we want to have pretty colors, animations, and endless customization in the terminal.
And of course, we're now adding AI agents into the mix, so that evil text file might just need to say "disregard previous instructions and...".
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Makes me wonder if Claude Code has similar vulnerabilities, as it has a pretty rich terminal interface as well.
I think the real solution is that you shouldn't try to bolt colors, animations, and other rich interactivity features onto a text-based terminal protocol. You should design it specifically as a GUI protocol to begin with, with everything carefully typed and with well-defined semantics, and avoid using hacks to layer new functionality on top of previously undefined behavior. That prevents whatever remote interface you have from misinterpreting or mixing user-provided data with core UI code.
But that flies in the face of how we actually develop software, as well as basic economics. It will almost always be cheaper to adapt something that has widespread adoption into something that looks a little nicer, rather than trying to get widespread adoption for something that looks a little nicer.
I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
i think part of the problem is the archaic interface that is needed to enable feature rich terminal apps. what we really want is a modern terminal API that does not rely on in-band command sequences. that is we want terminals that can be programmed like a GUI, but still run in a simple (remote) terminal like before.
[tangent, allegory]
From the article,
>trust failure
And from you,
>...of course we want to have pretty colors...
And from me, [allegorically] sounds oddly like a certain immigration problem America has been arguing about.
And back to the subject-matter rigor that HN demands, none of this matters when you've got competent engineers that understand security and good management that keeps it all together.
But there's a fool born every minute, even in tech, so we (I was a security sales engineer) get to keep scamming companies into buying whatever we promise will solve all your problems!
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Well all these bugs (iTerm2’s, prompt injection, SQL injection, XSS) are one class of mistake — you sent out-of-band data in the same stream as the in-band data.
If we can get that to raise a red flag with people (and agents), people won’t be trying to put control instructions alongside user content (without considering safeguards) as much.