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andrepdyesterday at 7:56 PM5 repliesview on HN

Not knowing who are the insiders and who is the dumb flow is like the fundamental problem of hft


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iknowSFRyesterday at 8:13 PM

You can trade on non-public information if you obtain that information unintentionally. Now you have to be able to prove it’s unintentional if the question came up. A real experience example of this is if you work in an office building and your neighboring company, a public company, is being raided by the FBI. Can you use that information to take a position in the market? Yes, according to multiple attorneys we spoke with.

I bring this up because we assume the trading is coming from insiders but I wonder if the parties behind this have baked in a layer similar to my story above.

To close this back to your comment, and I don’t have an answer here: is knowing who the insiders are and acting on that a crime? If you did know and didn’t report them, are you breaking a law? Or worse, you reported it to the deaf ears of a regulator that are focused elsewhere or are under resourced to respond now?

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3eb7988a1663yesterday at 8:07 PM

How is there enough volume to cover the other side of the bet with these minutes-before trades?

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coutyesterday at 9:54 PM

In theory that is part of what was supposed to have been solved by CAT.

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paulpauperyesterday at 10:54 PM

insiders would presumably be bigger trades that show high conviction about improbable events. An insider would wait until the last minute to take advantage of low prices of a market close to expiration.