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ninjahawk1today at 3:19 PM9 repliesview on HN

The way to develop in this space seems to be to give away free stuff, get your name out there, then make everything proprietary. I hope they still continue releasing open weights. The day no one releases open weights is a sad day for humanity. Normal people won’t own their own compute if that ever happens.


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culitoday at 4:25 PM

I think that's an overgeneralization. We've seen all the American models be closed and proprietary from the start. Meanwhile the non-American (especially the Chinese ones) have been open since the start. In fact they often go the opposite direction. Many Chinese models started off proprietary and then were later opened up (like many of the larger Qwen models)

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eloranttoday at 4:15 PM

This is obviously a strategic move at a national level. Keep publishing competing free models to erode the moat western companies could have with their proprietary models. As long as the narrative serves China there will be no turn to proprietary models.

visargatoday at 3:28 PM

I think it is in the interest of chip makers to make sure we all get local models

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baqtoday at 3:37 PM

Always has been, it’s literally saas; the slight difference is that the lowest tier subscriptions at the frontier labs are basically free trials nowadays, too

Zavoratoday at 4:04 PM

Its the new freeware model!

CamperBob2today at 3:45 PM

I'm a little more optimistic than that. I suspect that the open-weight models we already have are going to be enough to support incremental development of new ones, using reasonably-accessible levels of compute.

The idea that every new foundation model needs to be pretrained from scratch, using warehouses of GPUs to crunch the same 50 terabytes of data from the same original dumps of Common Crawl and various Russian pirate sites, is hard to justify on an intuitive basis. I think the hard work has already been done. We just don't know how to leverage it properly yet.

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testbjjltoday at 3:33 PM

Any reason for them to do this other than altruism? I don’t think this can be regulated.

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WarmWashtoday at 3:59 PM

The Chinese state wants the world using their models.

People think that Chinese AI labs are just super cool bros that love sharing for free.

The don't understand it's just a state sponsored venture meant to further entrench China in global supply and logistics. China's VCs are Chinese banks and a sprinkle of "private" money. Private in quotes because technically it still belongs to the state anyway.

China doesn't have companies and government like the US. It just has government, and a thin veil of "company" that readily fool westerners.

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ai_fry_ur_braintoday at 4:57 PM

Why is it sad? These things are useles all around, along with the people who overuse them.

It would be a great day for humanity if people would stopping glazing text autocomplete as revolutionary.