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We accepted surveillance as default

155 pointsby speckxtoday at 4:34 PM68 commentsview on HN

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Lerctoday at 7:08 PM

I once watched a news report about the then tail end of the Ceaușescu regime. One of the indicators of the level of oppression they described was that they had video cameras mounted on street lamps.

seydortoday at 7:14 PM

Militarism, surveillance, propaganda, statism. Reminds me of something. Are we the baddies now ?

rapnietoday at 5:13 PM

Blog got the hug of death, I think. Archive link: https://archive.is/bpNAw

_doctor_lovetoday at 5:23 PM

This is all well and good but as long as advertising is how folks make money on the web, the surveillance state will persist.

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inventor7777today at 5:09 PM

When Apple first released App Tracking Transparency, I immediately used it to block the trackers and I have not even thought about it since because it is so simple and useful.

What a contrast to modern websites which require all sorts of weird clicking gymnastics to disable similar tracking.

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nickandbrotoday at 4:51 PM

Whenever I read your articles, I get distracted by the space invaders and just play that instead. Maybe this is a problem with me being a bit ADHD, but I feel like I am not the only one

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dataflowtoday at 5:41 PM

Sorry to nitpick but tracking and surveillance are not the same thing. Go back to the last century for a second, before all this 21st-century tech came along. Just because your cell phone and towers would be able to track what rough region (let's call it "site") you were visiting, that doesn't mean they were surveilling you.

Surveillance implies things about bith intended usage and actual usage, etc. that -- simply put -- do not need to hold when you're tracking something. If the argument is genuinely that cookies have genuinely been used to place us under surveillance rather than mere tracking -- I have nothing inherently against it, but you need to support it with evidence. Simply pointing to the fact that they track some fact or metric that indirectly relates to you is not sufficient evidence of that.

And to be clear, I'm not saying I like tracking or we should be fine with it. I hate it too. But it's also a turnoff seeing people smearing one thing as another, and I don't think it's a great strategy to help win support for your cause.

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righthandtoday at 4:57 PM

WHATWG wants to co-mingle document rendering with javascript (this is the real reason they are removing XSLT and not proposing a replacement, it skirts this enforcement) so that when you try to disable javascript or block tracking it breaks the document rendering, leaving the only option to leave Javascript enabled and ad blockers off. Other protocols gemini, gopher etc don’t have the same issues because they’re already excluding Javascript.

What is really needed is a hard fork of major browsers by a grass roots community to advance HTML standards to include partial template rendering solutions without the reliance on Javascript.

Of course this is a startup forum so the response is just going to be wittled down to observations about economic value. However if users start to change/fight then the economics will too.

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shevy-javatoday at 6:40 PM

I wanted to read, but my cursor was a hungry monster and so I chased after things to eat. After I played this for a while I had to close the tab. I think if you have something to say, having a cursor with an animation is a bad idea. It distracts from the content.

morphletoday at 5:13 PM

Page does not load in Safari and Chrome for various reasons

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incomingpaintoday at 5:43 PM

The government is going to surveil. That's not going to change.

It's whether or not warrantless searches are admissible; and they generally arent.

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verisimitoday at 6:28 PM

My opinion (probably an unpopular one) is that tracking for advertising is merely the excuse to justify widespread surveillance. I don't think all the advertising revenue that is purported to be in play stacks up. I personally do not think advertising directs my purchasing. I don't think it directs others either.

I get that this is Google's business, but perhaps a large amount of their 'business' is actually from the government system (directly or indirectly) - they merely have to pretend to be running an advertising business.

I'm saying that the whole point of advertising was surveillance from the beginning.

taurathtoday at 5:50 PM

We did not - going to a website nowadays is akin to booting your grandma’s windows 95 PC - popups everywhere, banzai buddy, 20 toolbars, just utterly virus laden filth. The web is a place that used to have amazing views but it’s now only filled with billboards. Someday a new set of internets will come up and they’ll be good - it’s not expensive to make things good, it just needs to not be borne of utter libertarian zero-social-contract profit seeking.

Hell, I was shopping for furniture yesterday, and I swear all the popups even with ad blockers were there to prevent me from buying things. It doesn’t seem to be helpful for the stated goal.

bakugotoday at 4:57 PM

The irony of using AI to generate an article on this topic...

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anovikovtoday at 5:51 PM

Well, ever since the ads i see on iPhone Safari are utterly irrelevant bullshit because tracking there is crippled. Was 1996 88x31 banners world that just advertised random stuff, better than what we have today? They gave websites less money taking more space and annoyed users more.

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throwaway27448today at 5:49 PM

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