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fookeryesterday at 11:37 PM2 repliesview on HN

Maybe you should read the article?

Quantity is back in the game again thanks to drones, right now we would lose without escalating to a nuclear war.


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angry_octettoday at 5:47 AM

Exactly, drones enable quantity and precision. Geran type drones can easily fly 1000nm, and that kind of range needs wide area sensing and patrols to intercept, really expensive at present.

I don't know that a loss right now would be likely, probably a stalemate which would be ruinously expensive for everyone.

Drones favor defenders by making movement costly, there is a considerable advantage to being dug in. Air dominance no longer guarantees being free from low altitude aerial threat. Long range drones require basing further away, which means A2A refuelling, or a massive innovation in drone defence (cheap missiles, autonomous drone interceptors, sensor nets).

jandrewrogerstoday at 1:16 AM

Cheap drones are extremely limited in the kinds of targets they can reach and damage while evading air defenses. I understand this domain well.

Upgrading drones so that they have sufficient range and carry a sufficiently capable warhead and have a decent probability of surviving a modern air defense environment has been done many times by many countries. The price always comes in ~$1M/drone. It doesn't matter who builds it. Those economics get expensive fast for a weapon system you can't reuse. Much cheaper drones either have no useful range or are susceptible to even cheaper defenses; in either case they don't do any meaningful damage. That point on the price-performance curve wasn't picked at random by competent weapon designers.

Even the Ukrainian FP-5 is ~$0.5M, and it is significantly less capable than some western weapons with a similar profile.

The US has assumed drone swarm attacks would be a thing for decades and has both tested and fielded many systems purpose-built for those scenarios.

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