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ramon156today at 11:24 AM18 repliesview on HN

> "This makes me super uncomfortable. How do we opt out?" was the top-rated comment in response to the internal announcement, according to a post on Meta's internal workplace communications site seen by Business Insider."

Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?


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rdevillatoday at 11:59 AM

Right on. Meta employees, fuck you for building the surveillance state we live in today. You are the fucking scourge and death of the 2000s internet. Eat shit, I care not for your "privacy concerns."

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xnorswaptoday at 11:42 AM

"Companies should be able to bully their staff, since their staff are free to quit" is not compatible with a decent society.

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benbristowtoday at 11:28 AM

Have you seen the salaries Meta pay?

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bauerdtoday at 11:32 AM

Health insurance and opportunity cost

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Traubenfuchstoday at 11:31 AM

The majority of people working at Meta will never ever again in their lives get a job offer that good. Meta knows this and doesn't care about many of them quitting. They can currently scoop up an endless supply of developers that have memorized every single leetcode hard, system design and """behavioral""" interview question.

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everdrivetoday at 12:35 PM

>Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

I don't know why, but it's endemic. You have ICE, quite literally purchasing your surveillance data so they can sweep people off the streets. But getting people to delete some apps? It's effectively impossible. However you feel about the ICE issue, and future government program could deem you the enemy. And your data is out there just waiting to be weaponized against you. But will people actually do anything about it? Delete their apps? Stop using a smartphone? Write their congressman? Nope, nope, nope, and nope. They will complain online a bit and otherwise change _no_ behavior. The only positive movement I've seen in this regard is people moving away from flock. Otherwise, people are tripping over themselves to allow surveillance into their lives.

mc32today at 11:32 AM

Exactly.

It’s the same defeatist attitude people who get an extra three months of pay to train their Eastern European or Indian replacements.

They will gladly take the three months pay to train a replacement. I’d quit on the spot. Let them figure it out.

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2ndorderthoughttoday at 12:03 PM

I have no idea why you are being downvoted. This is probably the most rational take.

Some level of sacrifice is required when you feel super uncomfortable at work in the US. I get the arguments of "I can't lose my pay", but at the same time, if you aren't aligned with how they treat you now, what do you think they will be doing with that data? What does 1 year from now look like? 2 years? Do you think it will be less invasive? Or will they be tracking your eye movements as well, facial sentiment?

throwaway2037today at 12:39 PM

    > why are americans putting up with this bullshit?
The answer is simple: Golden handcuffs. If you pay people enough money, they will do anything. Also, labor laws are so weak in the US that this is surely allowed. It would take a federal law (or many powerful states to all pass laws in parallel) to outlaw this behaviour. Hint: It will not happen.
leetrouttoday at 11:31 AM

Money, of course. Both greed and comfort.

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miroljubtoday at 11:45 AM

There are other methods broadly classified as self-defense that an employee can apply against a company and its officials who attack their privacy.

Let Meta and its officials feel the consequences of their actions.

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pinkmuffineretoday at 11:43 AM

> Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

Come on, they may be caring for children, sick relatives, or have a million other reasons to want a stable, well-paying job. There are many well-justified reasons they could have to stay, and yet want to opt-out. "Just quit your job" is extremely out-of-touch.

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figmerttoday at 11:28 AM

> Have people lost their spine? seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

While I agree with you, sadly not everyone is in a position to just quit so easily, and even if the majority of the company quits, there are always people who are desperate enough to do the work and not complain.

rubyfantoday at 12:23 PM

My guess is people put up with this shit because the job market is terrible right now and most other workplaces in big tech will follow suite soon.

bdangubictoday at 12:01 PM

got two words for you - money

ben_wtoday at 11:30 AM

> Have people lost their spine?

Yes, but this being Meta who are one of the several poster-children for surveillance capitalism, this comes across as more a face-leopard than a missing spine: https://old.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/

> seriously, quit your job. this is insane. why are americans putting up with this bullshit?

Have you seen the job market lately? Not just in the USA, but also in the USA, there's a lot of people holding on to whatever they've got because it's hard to find replacement work.

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nacozarinatoday at 12:06 PM

good times create weak men and we had it so good for so long it ruined us