> "You've never met a more conceited asshole"

Again, you'd be hard-pressed to find an Apple engineer who has spent any in-person time with John who doesn't have a similar take.

> "you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about"

There is nothing in this thread, aside from your supposed "friend", that makes me believe you've had any direct contact with Apple employees who know anything about John's relationship with Apple. So, in this specific instance, I have no reason to believe you know what you are talking about.

Lastly, I'm not the one who pointed out any grift. My point was that John's relationship to Apple is complicated.

You are communicating with someone who helped build two of the most popular development tools of all time, and yet you continue to act like you are above us, poor HN commenters. I've offered to discuss things with you privately (which is the right thing to do, since I have no intention of hurting Apple), and you've ignored it. Anyone who has access to information and yet refuses to engage is not a journalist.