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elefantentoday at 6:11 AM9 repliesview on HN

It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability.

This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.


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ben_wtoday at 6:28 AM

As a non-American, everything you wrote other than "one party" applies to the current US regime.

Relatively speaking, DeepSeek is less untrustworthy than Grok.

When I try ChatGPT on current events from the White House it interprets them as strange hypotheticals rather than news, which is probably more a problem with DC than with GPT, but whatever.

oceanplexiantoday at 6:35 AM

> And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed

That would be a great argument if the American models weren’t so heavily censored.

The Chinese model might dodge a question if I ask it about 1-2 specific Chinese cultural issues but then it also doesn’t moralize me at every turn because I asked it to use a piece of security software.

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randomNumber7today at 7:01 AM

The USA has one of the highest percentages of their population in prison.

Even for minor stuff like beeing addicted to drugs.

Looks pretty totalitarian to me.

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b65e8bee43c2ed0today at 6:48 AM

>This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.

yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.

danny_codestoday at 6:16 AM

It’s an open model? So you can run it yourself if you want to

theshacklefordtoday at 6:24 AM

> This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.

This is why I’ve been urging everyone I know to move away from American based services and providers. It’s slow but honest work.

michaelttoday at 7:55 AM

The oppression of people in China like Uyghurs and Hong Kong, the complete lack of free speech, the saber-rattling at neighbours, and the lack of respect for intellectual property are indeed all well documented.

But for folks on the opposite side of the world, the threats are more like "they're selling us electric cars and solar panels too cheaply" and the hypothetical "these super cheap CCTV cameras could be used for remote spying"

casey2today at 8:52 AM

Thousands of years with no invasions, hundreds of years with thousands of invasions.

China is a nation built for peace, while western nations are built for war.

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t0lotoday at 6:15 AM

And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites?

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