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throwaway89201yesterday at 11:04 PM4 repliesview on HN

> You would have to be a Hotz tier hacker if you wanted to do anything close to this only last year

This isn't true at all. Yes, LLMs have made it dramatically easier to analyse, debug and circumvent. Both for people who didn't have the skill to do this, and for people who know how to but just cannot be bothered because it's often a grind. This specific device turned out to be barely protected against anything. No encrypted firmware, no signature checking, and built-in SSH access. This would be extremely doable for any medium skilled person without an LLM with good motivation and effort.

You're referring to George Hotz, which is known for releasing the first PS3 hypervisor exploit. The PS3 was / is fully secured against attackers, of which the mere existence of a hypervisor layer is proof of. Producing an exploit required voltage glitching on physical hardware using an FPGA [1]. Perhaps an LLM can assist with mounting such an attack, but as there's no complete feedback loop, it still would require a lot of human effort.

[1] https://rdist.root.org/2010/01/27/how-the-ps3-hypervisor-was...


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BiraIgnaciotoday at 12:39 AM

The hacking aspect has been hit and miss for me. Just today I was trying to verify a fix for a CVE and even giving the agent the CVE description + details on how to exploit it and the code that fixed it, it couldn't write the exploit code correctly.

Not to say it's not super useful, as we can see in the article

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dparkyesterday at 11:41 PM

> fully secured against attackers, of which the mere existence of a hypervisor layer is proof of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine_escape

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mswphdyesterday at 11:41 PM

didn't PS3 have a hardcoded nonce for their ECDSA impl that allowed full key recovery? I would agree that I doubt LLMs let people mount side-channel attacks easily on consumer electronics though.

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hrimfaxitoday at 12:40 AM

> Perhaps an LLM can assist with mounting such an attack, but as there's no complete feedback loop, it still would require a lot of human effort.

LLMs have had no problem modifying software on an attached android phone. It's only a matter of time.