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jMylesyesterday at 7:09 PM1 replyview on HN

> Expecting bike riders to follow traffic laws is also unrealistic. This is why they often have a massively higher rate of fatalities,

This is an unconscionable degree of victim-blaming. Psychotic-level.


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mattlondonyesterday at 7:35 PM

Victims are not the ones running red lights, cutting across pedestrian sidewalks/pavements at 20+ mph, going down one-way-streets the wrong way, screaming at pedestrians to get out the way so they don't have to slow down when pedestrians are crossing on a green man etc etc etc.

At least in London the cyclists are absolutely lawless. Yes a lot are injured and some sadly die, but many many many totally ignore the rules (assuming they've even bothered to find out what the rules actually are).

It's only got worse with ebike hire (Lime at al) as people will hop on after drinking, or have never even got a driving license etc so have no actual idea on the rules that car drivers have to prove etc before they're let behind the wheel at all. And when they're done with their lime bike they literally just dump them wherever they're done with it, blocking sidewalks/pavements for everyone.

This antisocial cycling social-ill is very much at a "scourge" stage in London and is getting a lot of press.

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