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chromacityyesterday at 5:07 PM6 repliesview on HN

It's striking how many of these "product safety" cases are decided in the court of public opinion, independent of actual scientific merit. The case of DDT was pretty interesting. More recently, we have microplastics - no one has really shown they're dangerous to humans, but there's enough hand-waving that "everyone knows" they're killing us. And aspartame, etc...

Glyphosate is probably the safest of the things people spray their lawns with. I don't think we should - the worst you get on a typical suburban lawn if you mow but don't spray are dandelions and clover - but it's probably not giving you cancer. As for food... again, there are far worse, more persistent pesticides that escape this kind of scrutiny.


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titzeryesterday at 7:10 PM

Well I don't know of people claiming that microplastics are "killing us", there are dozens of papers that implicate microplastics in negative health effects from hearts to intestines, to sperm.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2309822

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.3c09524

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.1c03924

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-39...

There are a lot of studies that find correlations, and then are studies like this one that show that the direct introduction of microplastics alters cell functions negatively:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12692081/

I think at this point we should stop talking about how "there's no data" or "no studies" and "no one has shown" and graduate to "oh, maybe should figure out the extent of the damage."

Microplastic pollution is a global problem amongst a whole host of global pollution problems. We'd do well to try to figure out how bad it is, because it isn't going away. Oh, and we should probably work on fixing all of our pollution problems, especially cumulative ones like this.

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pfdietzyesterday at 10:27 PM

> Glyphosate is probably the safest of the things people spray their lawns with.

Glyphosate kills grass, so I would not recommend this unless you are planning to reseed from scratch (or replace the grass with something else).

Are there "Roundup Ready" grass seeds?

thayneyesterday at 5:42 PM

> the worst you get on a typical suburban lawn if you mow but don't spray are dandelions and clover

I also get a lot of morning glory AKA bindweed that kills my grass. But spraying doesn't really help with that anyway, so :shrug:.

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adzmyesterday at 8:54 PM

People are usually spraying broadleaf herbicides on their lawn like 2,4-D to control things like dandelions and yard plantains. Glyphosate just kills everything. Personally I only use it very selectively on poison ivy.

tptacekyesterday at 5:17 PM

Worth noting here that the trier of fact in this case mostly agrees with you about this stuff; the issue is that the state statutes in question created strict liability conditions for failure to comply with warning label regimes. The plaintiff brought substantive charges about Roundup to the case, and the jury rejected them.