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kuhsafttoday at 4:18 AM1 replyview on HN

I see. So it is better in the sense that the drivers are open-source. Though the drivers in Android/GrapheneOS are not open-source, I believe the drivers are also isolated from full kernel-level access.

But it still brings the point that you can't make a phone without proprietary chips and firmware from the mobile industry giants.

> You want to reflash it before use, obviously.

I think that is non-obvious to the majority of users buying a phone.

> The SoC supports High Assurance Boot, you can burn your key into its efuses and have it only ever accept software that's cryptographically signed by you.

An important consideration for consumers is that their data is secure if they lose their phone. Without a secure boot process by default, that's a hard sell for the common masses.


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seba_dos1today at 4:45 AM

The real question is whether it affects me as a user. The RF spectrum used by cellular networks is highly regulated, so I wouldn't be able to use it freely either way. The PC keyboard I type on right now most likely has some kind of microcontroller running some code in it, but it's of little consequence to me whether it's free or not. I do care about what runs on *my* system though, as that has tangible implications, and I care about it the same way whether it's my laptop or my phone.

> that is non-obvious to the majority of users

Yes, and the consequences of that can be seen in TFA - locking things down due to ill-defined security concerns. Why not go a bit further - the most secure device is the one you can't use to do anything at all.

On a side note, app attestation is already unironically getting us there - you have to either accept that you have no control over "your" device or not be able to use it to interface with the world. For me, any platform that allows applications to attest the environment they run in is insecure by design, as it can be exploited against me.

> An important consideration for consumers is that their data is secure if they lose their phone

Well, it's a good thing that PureOS is LUKS-encrypted by default then. It even has a smartcard reader, so key storage can be decoupled from the phone's hardware.

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