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deauxyesterday at 4:17 PM5 repliesview on HN

Where are the competitive models from Singapore, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Russia, Canada, India, the UK? From anywhere that isn't China or the US?

There are none. Mistral Small 4 is pareto-competitive in its pricing bracket at $0.15/$0.60, at worst it's second to Gemma 4 26B A4B. The above countries have never had a model that is even close to being so.

This particular Mistral Medium looks to be uncompetitive at that pricing. I'm surprised it's so expensive given its size. Wonder if we'll see other providers offer it for cheaper.

but that doesn't mean Mistral has never produced anything useful.


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johndoughyesterday at 4:47 PM

> Korea

EXAONE from LG AI Research https://huggingface.co/LGAI-EXAONE

They had one of the best small models a few months ago and they released a new model just last week.

There's also HyperCLOVA X (haven't tested it, but maybe it is also good) https://huggingface.co/naver-hyperclovax

> India

India has the Sarvam model series, which admittedly are not SotA, but they have pretty good voice capabilities https://huggingface.co/sarvamai

The UAE (not part of the list above) also has a few noteworthy models: https://huggingface.co/tiiuae

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argsndyesterday at 4:29 PM

DeepMind, which is headquartered in London, probably had a significant role in the development of the Gemini and Gemma models.

Yes, it might be a problem that the UK allows companies like this to be bought up by foreign countries.

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pamayesterday at 6:47 PM

What does Pareto competitive mean here? Look at the pricing of the V4-flash model: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing

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class4behavioryesterday at 4:36 PM

Although the Manus decision might change things for AI, Singapore-washing is quite rampant among Chinese companies, so I wouldn't call this place of origin an alternative market.

sayYayToLifeyesterday at 6:22 PM

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