> How do you deal with the ethics of this personally, stealing to make it easier for AI to steal so AI gets better?

If the obscure book/text is permanently lost forever under your stringent advice of "no stealing under any circumstances", would the "stealing" have saved it? If so, is it ethical to prevent others from accessing the book/text, under your guise of "preventing stealing"?

> How do you deal with the ethics of this personally, stealing to make it easier for AI to steal so AI gets better?

By quoting your comment in my reply, have I "stolen" your comment?

First, it's called infringement, not stealing. It's a custom defined term in a custom defined law.

Second, it is totally legal to read the book in a public library, for free, right now.

Third, laws can change. Current copyright law was pushed by one company (Disney) to +90years, to their benefit, and can be redesigned/pushed back by AI companies, for their benefit.

A 2 year copyright duration sounds like a good compromise.

As a researcher, the main worthwhile thing that I am doing is publishing research, but having all this prior scholarship at hand 24/7 definitely makes it easier to produce said publications. And if I have created a scan, why not help out my colleagues, too?

"Deal with the ethics", seriously? You might want to learn about how heavily shadow libraries are used across academia now. It’s no longer just disadvantaged scholars in the developing world relying on pirated scans because they don’t have good libraries. It’s increasingly everyone everywhere, because today’s shadow libraries can be faster and more convenient than even one’s own institution’s holdings. At conferences, if the presenter mentions a particularly interesting publication, you can sometimes watch several people in the room immediately open LibGen or Anna’s Archive on their laptop to download it right there and then.

It's not stealing, it's uploading without the licence. Laws in many countries allow for the lawful download of such books, regardless of how they were uploaded.

Separately, aren't always sensible or right - slavery was legal, child marriage was legal, not paying taxes on billions of profits is legal while not paying taxes of £1000 is illegal, reporting Jews to Nazis was mandatory, etc, etc.

> How is any of that legal?

He didn't mention legality. The world is rigged, as you can see by head of state participating in both in running and cover up of history's largest CSE. Watch what people are doing in addition to what they are saying.

I for one am tremendously thankful for TFNA's efforts, since I get access to knowledge that I wouldn't have been able to before.

AI training is legal because the supreme court said so.

Copyright is a property right, and property right is what we call a bourgeois legal right. It will cease to exist as productive force like AI develops.

You can't steal information don't be silly. You can just not have permission to copy it. Oh no.

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