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tedivmyesterday at 5:45 PM1 replyview on HN

When it comes to understanding large organizations I think a simple principle should apply:

The Purpose of a System is What it Does[1].

Whether malicious or not, the system does what it does. If people wanted it to do something else they would change the system. The reality is that when corporations make mistakes that benefit them those mistakes rarely get fixed without some sort of public outcry, turning the "mistake" into a "feature".

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...


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pegasusyesterday at 9:51 PM

Intriguing concept, but I feel it needlessly breaks language. A more narrow (and to me, less pompous) formulation would be that social groups have their own purpose, different from (though not unrelated to) the purposes of the individual members. And this collective purpose can be read best from the actions of the collective, just like the purpose of a person is best divined from their actions (actions speak louder than words).

More about where I think Stafford Beer goes wrong here: https://gemini.google.com/share/9a14f90f096e

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