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GeekyBearyesterday at 6:11 PM4 repliesview on HN

The problem is that modern Americans politicize everything.

There was a short period at the end of the Bush years when this was a big deal, but as soon as the gaslighting was coming from both political teams, it became a non-issue politically.

> President Obama defended the U.S. government's surveillance programs, telling NBC's Jay Leno on Tuesday that: "There is no spying on Americans."

"We don't have a domestic spying program," Obama said on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. "What we do have is some mechanisms that can track a phone number or an email address that is connected to a terrorist attack. ... That information is useful."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/06/209692380...


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ambicapteryesterday at 7:42 PM

Everything _is_ political, as the other comment says. The problem is that no one talks about "governance", they just talk about "politics", which is not the same thing. Governance is the question of what good government should look like. Politics is just about accumulating power.

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krunckyesterday at 6:18 PM

That's the what's required to make propaganda and manipulation work the best.

bigyabaiyesterday at 7:04 PM

> The problem is that modern Americans politicize everything.

Everything is political. Electric cars, crude oil, rocket launches, rare earth metals, cargo transportation, public transportation, housing, taxation, data, compute... which of those aren't political?

The problem is Americans believing obvious lies like "Privacy is a human right" and "Don't be evil" and then blaming the government instead of themselves.

Spooky23yesterday at 6:27 PM

Ironically from the perspective of 2026, the actual "conservative" conservatives were the key opponents. The "total information awareness" and national ID efforts were really killed by the conservatives in congress. The "neocons" and moderate/conservative democrats were mostly fine with both.

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