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janice1999yesterday at 8:47 PM9 repliesview on HN

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.


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bri3dyesterday at 8:54 PM

I believe the "advanced" LKAS on Rivian only works on highways and relies on an "up to date" geofencing database, so that's the first-order technical reason. And I'm sure they don't exactly prioritize fixing or altering that behavior for the other reason.

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tencentshillyesterday at 8:52 PM

I understand how it could disable some features. Hyundai has a GPS-assisted database of highways that are approved for enhanced driver assist (HDA2).

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ezfeyesterday at 10:18 PM

Toyota advanced LKA (called Traffic Jam Assist) requires mapping subscription to be active as well

nancyminusoneyesterday at 8:59 PM

Lane keeping assistance is optional on any vehicle. I don't believe there is any current production in which you can't opt out of lane keeping assistance?

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ReptileManyesterday at 9:57 PM

So you disable both internet and the most annoying feature after touchscreens and start stop. Double win.

encomyesterday at 11:09 PM

>disables lane keeping assistance

That is a desirable outcome.

I have driven about half a dozen vehicles with this feature, and it has been annoying 100% of the time, and never helpful at all. In the company van I drive (Citroën Berlingo) I have to disable it every time I start the car. The lane keeping gets confused all the time by snow or dirt or when merging onto the motorway, or fucking background radiation - I dunno. It always shocks me when it pulls on the steering wheel. This crap should be forbidden. In the same car I also have to disable the start-stop system so as not to destroy the engine. Aside from that it's a nice enough van for a diesel, but I've been ruined by electrics.

In my own car (Nissan Leaf 2021), it stays disabled. But then it shows me a lawyer screen on every start asking me to consent to handing over my first born son etc.

Imagine if proper EV's had been invented in 2005 - we would have had some awesome cars.

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deadbabeyesterday at 9:26 PM

If you need lane keeping assistance you should just accept you need internet connectivity at all times like wtf cars didn’t always have that just drive straight.

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happyopossumyesterday at 8:50 PM

They need to keep lane availability up to date - lanes get closed for repair or realignment sometimes and it’d suck to rear-end an 18 ton grader because you don’t have current DOT info…

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Steeeveyesterday at 10:14 PM

You have a lot of trouble driving your car inside the lanes?

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