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kjellsbellsyesterday at 10:47 PM2 repliesview on HN

Yes I am, but it might not be very comforting, since a 20 year horizon is a long time to endure before you get to the sunlit uplands.

The US periodically goes through periods of intense corruption, political instability and inequality. It seems like this era is worse because we are living through it right now, but talk to people who were young adults in, say, 1960 to 1975 and they will tell you that between avoiding nuclear war, a President being assassinated, his brother being murdered, a meat grinder war started in dubious circumstances, a powerful and implacable foreign adversary, cops beating the daylight out of people who just wanted their civil rights...it felt like a brutal end of times for America. The generation before then lived through the Depression, wars, scandals (Businessmen's plot), red scare, lavender scare, sputnik, similarly. Just ugh.

Concurrently with these periods the US also made huge strides in science, culture, technology, health, and civil rights. I imagine a very large part of the United States HN readership is here right now because of the 1965 immigration act, the work of ARPA, and so on. Progress is made even in dark times. (Personally, I would not look to (any) government as the creator of good times so much as the building of personal relationships in your community, whether physical or digital. The hippies of 1970 recognized this, as did the beat kids of 1960 - you can't wait for the state to make you happy.)

One question might be not, "can we get through this" but what sort of event will happen that will be the catalyst for moving past the current environment. Obviously one hopes, for example, that it will not take a war of national survival for Americans to get back together. Or a Black Death where so many people die that a new society simply must be born. I think we look at history as if there was a single such event but in reality it is more like a sequence of events over several years that history compresses into one thing.

I've lived here for several decades and I freely admit that the United States can be a violent, chaotic, wild place. But I also remember that it is full of incredible people who have never failed to lend a hand, think creatively, and be open to trying new things. So I would say that people who are discouraged by the current situation (of any political stripe) work on building individual, small scale relationships with people in their community and go from there.

OK, flame away.


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sosodevyesterday at 10:56 PM

Well put. I too am optimistic that, in the long term, good will prevail and we'll be stronger because of the suffering. I also agree that there's happiness and meaning to be found in presence and local life. However, it feels quite hard to let it wash over me when I spend so much time at work. The hippie lifestyle is very tempting, but I want stability and a family.

2OEH8eoCRo0yesterday at 11:02 PM

The Ken Burns Vietnam War doc was eye opening as a 30-something whipper snapper. The 60s were nuts.