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zx8080today at 7:54 AM5 repliesview on HN

> obvious alternatives

First of all, in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11 (except Apple). For example, even if a model supports Linux in the US as many Lenovo Thinkpads do, in Singapore it's just not sold without Windows.

Second, Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI. Bettery life is shit now, and hibernate is disabled by default in most OS. Also, hibernate in Linux is a complete disaster comparing to windows one (windows presaves memory to disk continuously, while in linux you have to wait until the whole ram (+ vram, if gpu) is saved/restored). It takes time. Sleep s3 is needed, but Microsoft killed it. So linux is really a bad choice for laptop. But Windows 11 is much worse, especially if you don't really like ads.


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ninjagootoday at 1:25 PM

> in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11

Wipe and install something else. Previously you would just have been eating the OS license cost paid, and the benefit was taking control and supporting the free-as-in-freedom ecosystem.

But now the additional benefits are that you'll be preventing them from monetizing your data on an ongoing basis, denying data for training ai, and enhancing your privacy, so it's economically justifiable too.

londons_exploretoday at 8:17 AM

I don't really understand the rationale behind disabling S3 sleep...

Was it simply that getting every device and driver to properly support it was hard, so the easiest option was to remove it and have the machine always powered up?

als0today at 8:17 AM

> Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI

> Sleep s3 is needed, but Microsoft killed it.

Would you or someone else here mind explaining this?

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londons_exploretoday at 8:22 AM

> hibernate in Linux is a complete disaster comparing to windows one

Part of this is that hibernation can't be cancelled mid way, which is dumb. Ideally a computer is like a light switch - you can turn it on and off instantly whenever. To get closer to that, if you turn it off, but then immediately on again, the hibernation should be cancelled and return you to your desktop.

Also, the whole idea of a 'hibernation image' which is read from disk in one huge 10+ second read is best for hard drives. Now that everyone uses SSD, it should all be demand-paged in.

gsichtoday at 10:45 AM

True. I have Fedora and FDE, if I enter Hibernate it's a crash on bext boot.