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retsibsitoday at 8:37 AM1 replyview on HN

> And how do you define pain and pleasure?

They're not reducible, but I don't know if that means we don't have definitions; we can describe them well enough that most people (who aren't p-zombies or playing the sceptical philosopher role) know pretty well what we mean. All of our definitions have to bottom out somewhere...

> Do insects feel pain?

Nobody (except the insects) can know for sure. Our inability to know whether X is true doesn't imply X is meaningless, though.


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echoangletoday at 9:09 AM

But how can X be a good indicator for something I want to determine if I can’t measure X either?

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