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forgotusername6yesterday at 8:22 PM23 repliesview on HN

I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.


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hn_throwaway_99yesterday at 11:21 PM

Strong disagree. First, like many of the other comments mention, Banksy is known for being clever and witty, but not particularly subtle.

But more to the point, while you may think the meaning is a bit obvious, the fact that the flag is unadorned (which/whose flag is it?), and the man is unknown, makes me think this statue could be the ultimate Rorschach test. I'm sure there are tons of people thinking "Ha ha, this is the perfect commentary on all those idiot <people on the other side who I disagree with> wrapping themselves up in their ideology of <patriotism/social justice/cause du jour> as they march <some particular country/society/the world at large off a cliff>".

In other words, I'm guessing you probably felt the meaning was "obvious" because you filled in the blanks in the above madlibs-style statement in a way that feels obvious to you, and I think folks on "the other side" would probably fill in the blanks with the exact opposite notions in a way that feels "obvious" to them.

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tene80iyesterday at 8:35 PM

Not sure we think of Banksy as being particularly subtle. Innovative and impactful, sure - but the message is usually quite clear, no?

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tialaramexyesterday at 8:38 PM

I don't think most of his work is trying for subtle? First thing that came to mind: "Slave Labour" is pretty obvious, it's a kid operating a sewing machine to make Union flags and it was painted on an actual pound shop. Were you unsure of the message? Even something like "Silent Majority" isn't difficult, the comic book "V for Vendetta" makes the exact same point just Banksy painted it as a mural.

EMM_386yesterday at 10:01 PM

> "in September 2025, Banksy painted a mural on the Royal Courts of Justice depicting a judge bludgeoning a protester with a gavel"

His other works aren't subtle.

tbrownawyesterday at 8:31 PM

> there is no doubt on the meaning at all

Which flag? Or, what kind of flag? Or does it matter?

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hristovtoday at 1:12 AM

If you want to make a political message it often helps to be obvious. This way the meaning of your message will not be misinterpreted either intentionally or un-intentionally.

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thinkingemoteyesterday at 8:30 PM

it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)

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Jtariiyesterday at 8:37 PM

I think a good old fashined "we are all fucked" is warranted now and again.

It's also referencing the recent flag controversies in the UK over the past year.

wand3ryesterday at 8:29 PM

Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.

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ungreased0675yesterday at 9:56 PM

This one definitely lacks ambition compared to other works. Probably because his other work had a subversive undertone, this one seems sponsored by the powers that be. I also suspect it was installed with cooperation from the local authorities.

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seydoryesterday at 9:31 PM

it's less than mediocre art. Using the following statue from Temu for vandalism would be a stronger art statement: https://www.temu.com/1pc-3d-printed-bride-sculpture-elegant-...

BoggleOhYeahyesterday at 10:17 PM

Have you seen the state of the world? Why would you go through the trouble of being subtle nowadays?

zeroonetwothreeyesterday at 8:26 PM

Yes doesn’t feel very innovative

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LightBug1yesterday at 9:53 PM

He's always been one to land a one-liner, or just a punch line.

Sadly, in this day and age, that simple one-punch obvious meaning is just what's needed.

mindslightyesterday at 8:29 PM

Well the problems it's referencing are glaringly obvious as well, and yet so many people still refuse to acknowledge them.

twoodfinyesterday at 8:58 PM

I have the same reaction to Banksy, and figure he and his audience just have to be in on the joke? I can’t discount there’s some layered irony going on in conversation between the artist and the intellectual / capitalist / trend-setting elite that are his effective patrons.

“I remember when all this was trees” [1] is maybe the best example. Detroit hasn’t been “trees” in something like two centuries. Platitudes doused in treacle.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/01/ba...

kineyyesterday at 11:32 PM

all his work is slop. No difference here...

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