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GuB-42today at 1:33 PM8 repliesview on HN

If you follow Sabine Hossenfelder's channel, she has a MONDOmeter. With MOND (modified Newtonian gravity) on one side and dark matter on the other side.

As new papers come out the needle goes back and forth, and I guess that she will make a new video if she hasn't already, with the needle moving one step towards dark matter.

I find it interesting how it doesn't seem to settle. Dark matter is still the favorite, but there is a lot of back and forth between "MOND is dead" and "we found new stuff we couldn't explain with dark matter, but it matches MOND predictions".


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PaulHouletoday at 1:53 PM

MOND does amazingly well at galactic rotation curves, less well at anything else. If you think it started with Vera Rubin in 1966 MOND seems natural, but if you know that it started with Fritz Zwicky in 1933 than dark matter is easier to believe.

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fookertoday at 2:58 PM

We are likely going to find out that both are unfixably faulty.

It'll take either the next Einstein or some groundbreaking experimental observation to get there in my opinion.

If it was possible to incrementally fix these theories, the army of postdocs working on these would have already done so in the last decade or so.

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cowltoday at 2:54 PM

It's funny how for MOND we cant accept that it has some unknowns yet but we are more than willing to accept the FULL UNKNOWN Dark Matter. it's easy. put "Dark" in front of something and you don't have to explain it at all, no matter that something else explains at least 60-70% instead of 0.

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htx80nerdtoday at 4:07 PM

Dark Matter : supposedly makes up a big amount of the mass of the universe, but cant be seen, does not emit, absorb, or reflect light. Also it can 'pass through' other normal matter, and other dark matter.

It's basically magic aka not actually real, just something in vogue to pretend is real at the present moment.

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raverbashingtoday at 4:03 PM

MOND is kinda like a dead horse now, that people like to keep flogging

I think it's possible for an alternative gravitational law to work, but not MOND

MOND is stronger at longer distances than Newtonian Gravity. To me that does not pass the sniff test. It could be a step in understanding a more exact law but to me it feels weird

elashritoday at 2:22 PM

MOND is dead is a true statement if we say MOND is dead as a general theory of gravity. It does not mean is does not have its success with explaining galactic rotation curves but failing at mostly everything else.

cwmmatoday at 2:21 PM

my understanding is that there are a few MOND champions who are still holding on to the idea while everyone else has moved on.

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ReptileMantoday at 1:44 PM

Once I joked that a lot of things in the universe make sense if you view it as a "simulation with optimizations like lazy loading".

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