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y1n0today at 2:21 PM1 replyview on HN

Manipulation is about trickery. Influence does not have to be manipulation. Persuasion through reason is influence.


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babijaxtoday at 3:29 PM

I think that’s exactly what they’re saying. Influence doesn’t have to be manipulative, but it sure can be. Here’s the difference:

Influence for influence sake is selfishly motivated. Doing something charitable garners influence. Influence is a side-effect and not the intended goal—unless it is, and then it’s manipulation.

The fact is correct that the word influence is a euphemism for manipulation. The very fact that people are confused about this is case-in-point on the subtlety of the notion.

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