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troyvittoday at 5:40 PM1 replyview on HN

Nah I just have compassion for people. For one thing, not everybody knows how bad those things are. If all you see is that "fun uncle" who's always drunk, you learn that drinking isn't so bad. Couple that with being bombarded by positive messages around drinking and the popular belief that anything in moderation is OK, and you end up doing them. The very act of doing them obscures the consequences you are suffering. That's chemical.

The same thing happens with gambling, but it's a dopamine rush instead of an alcohol rush.

I'm not saying people have no agency, I'm just saying there's a lot more going on than just agency.


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cyclopeanutopiatoday at 7:58 PM

I also have compassion, and come from (and live in) a country with pretty hardcore drinking culture.

And yet even the "fun uncle" himself knows how bad it is. Before the family gathers and drinks vodka like there is no tomorrow, everyone is aware that it's poison, what they will feel tomorrow, that someone will need to take care of then uncle somehow, and nobody is really even pretending that it's just fun and harmless.

Ultimately it's all about making conscious decisions or not. One could argue, maybe, that inability to make good decisions in obvious situations is the real disease, but it's not really a thing in our culture - or maybe it's actually the same thing you mentioned with chemicals: once you make the stupid decision to drink, vodka is also being used as an explanation for other stupid decisions, making it harder to see one's weaknesses? Not sure.